LDS Teenager Murdered at her High School in Parkland

[_Maksutov]

Just out of curiosity, can you pack heat into General Conference?

I went to General Conference for the first time last fall, and there were metal detectors at the entrances, so I'm guessing "no."

Why do Mormons give up their 2nd amendment rights without a fight? They should be rising up against such tyranny!

[_Jersey Girl]

Group interview, student testimonies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x04zdZwfgjo

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The situation is such that now America's children are taking it to the streets because America's adults care more about their ____ guns than they do their own children.

Gun fanatics are relying on the implied threat of their guns to quell much of their opposition. It has worked somewhat, in tandem with legislation, lobbying, etc. But if the situation does not improve, you are going to risk a mass movement.

Imagine a movement of mothers of murdered children. Remember that Gandhi was able to break the British Empire with soft power and nonaggression, using people who were ready to die for their cause. If the cultists start shooting down the mothers, other gun owners will turn on them and the current regime will fracture. But it might take something that horrific.

- Doc

[_Markk]

Hypocrisy is politicians taking NRA money and tweeting thoughts and prayers. They don't give a ____. It ain't about me. And unlimited abortion is not directly funded by the government, so you're a liar. You're so desperate to shift blame that you'll throw anything at the wall. Pathetic.

Unlimited? Where did I say that? Are you saying that the government does not pay for abortions? Lets try to have a conversation without the name calling.

Did you look at those pic's, are you going to tell me those are not babies. They are, and the gov. pays for thousands of abortions directly, that is just a fact, especially state funding in my state.

Lets try to go deeper, beyond guns, what is the root of why these kids are killing kids? Is there any reason beyond guns, that you believe causes them to kill?

I think we do have common ground in that politicians are hypocrites...I agree 100%.

[_honorentheos]

...Unlike Columbine and Sandy Hook, these kids are older and more affluent. Most importantly, they have the benefit of nearly a decade of great improvement and growth in the social media networks.

It's kinda sad that this is true given the enormity of the tragedy that was Sandy Hook. Even worse that conspiracy theorists created narratives that turned the tragedy into outrage against the government based on invented narratives.

But if having older, affluent kids who took activism into their own hands as victim/survivors is what it takes, thank goodness something is actually moving the issue forward.

[_DrW]

...Unlike Columbine and Sandy Hook, these kids are older and more affluent. Most importantly, they have the benefit of nearly a decade of great improvement and growth in the social media networks.

It's kinda sad that this is true given the enormity of the tragedy that was Sandy Hook. Even worse that conspiracy theorists created narratives that turned the tragedy into outrage against the government based on invented narratives.

But if having older, affluent kids who took activism into their own hands as victim/survivors is what it takes, thank goodness something is actually moving the issue forward.

We can only hope, Honor.

my wife and I see it as a positive sign that Florida Governor Rick Scott, (and as it turns out several other politicians of note, as well) attended Alaina's funeral today.

I think one reason was the spontaneous, immediate and surprisingly vitriolic backlash against Trump personally when he announced his intent to visit the school. Folks in Broward, Miami Dade and Palm Beach Counties have simply had it with Trump.

Rick Scott understood that he needed to distance himself from the pussy-grabber in chief, and do it quickly, if he is to have any chance of doing well enough in South Florida to get himself elected Senator. Alaina's funeral was a good opportunity to do so.

[_honorentheos]

Given the intensity with which the #metoo movement took off, I have no doubt there is potential that this time things could be different. But I'm also looking back at decades of NRA influence and am a bit skeptical. Look at Starbuck's language up thread. It's about something he calls a right without differentiation or discretion as to what the concept of the 2nd amendment could justly define as such despite lengthy and diverse judicial rulings that show what the 2nd amendment applies to isn't unlimited or without other typical concerns associated with conflicts between constitutionally defined rights. Markk wants it to be a tit-for-tat about fetus development being surgically halted by professionally trained doctors or the conversation can't happen. Why? Whothefukknows.

That said, there is a certain "Nixon goes to China" aspect to this occurring when the Republicans have full control of all branches of the federal government that seems necessary for it to progress. So I guess we'll see.

[_Kevin Graham]

Are you saying that the government does not pay for abortions? Lets try to have a conversation without the name calling.

No one can have a conversation with you because you avoid refutation and then come back later when the smoke is cleared to just regurgitate the same crap. I already demonstrated that the government is responsible for REDUCING abortions in this country.

Did you look at those pic's, are you going to tell me those are not babies.

The pics have no context and some of them are dated back to the 80's. For all you know those fetus' were medically necessary. And none of them felt pain until the third trimester. All of the pictures in your link were first trimester fetus.

Lets try to go deeper, beyond guns, what is the root of why these kids are killing kids?

Is there any reason beyond guns, that you believe causes them to kill?

Because they have easy access to guns, that's it. You're never going to get to a common-denominator psychological reason why all murderers chooses to kill. That's a fools errand. Some are probably sociopaths that were never diagnosed as such, some probably want revenge, some are just racist and others just want attention. All you're doing by asking this question is attempting to throw blame onto something else other than the obvious: easy access to semi-automatic weapons. There are more guns in this country than there are people! If there was even half as many flamethrowers in this country I guarantee you the number of deaths from smoke inhalation and arson would skyrocket. And people like you would be saying that if we get rid of flamethrowers it won't change anything because people can set fires with matches if they want.

The reason this slaughter happened in Florida is because his "parents" or landlords or whatever they are, enabled him. They let a kid they barely knew into their home and knowingly allowed him to keep an AR-15 in his room. They are irresponsible because they are parents of another teen that was under the same roof. Yet they let this strange kid in their home with no condition other than he get a job. Had they laid down a rule of NO GUNS, maybe he wouldn't have been able to do this because he didn't have any other place to stay.

[_Maksutov]

Hypocrisy is politicians taking NRA money and tweeting thoughts and prayers. They don't give a ____. It ain't about me. And unlimited abortion is not directly funded by the government, so you're a liar. You're so desperate to shift blame that you'll throw anything at the wall. Pathetic.

Unlimited? Where did I say that? Are you saying that the government does not pay for abortions? Lets try to have a conversation without the name calling.

Did you look at those pic's, are you going to tell me those are not babies. They are, and the gov. pays for thousands of abortions directly, that is just a fact, especially state funding in my state.

Lets try to go deeper, beyond guns, what is the root of why these kids are killing kids? Is there any reason beyond guns, that you believe causes them to kill?

I think we do have common ground in that politicians are hypocrites...I agree 100%.

Not just kids killing kids. Look at the guy in Las Vegas.

[_Jersey Girl]

Unlimited? Where did I say that? Are you saying that the government does not pay for abortions? Lets try to have a conversation without the name calling.

What does this have to do with the topic? Try staying on topic.

Did you look at those pic's, are you going to tell me those are not babies. They are, and the gov. pays for thousands of abortions directly, that is just a fact, especially state funding in my state.

Yes I did. I've seen hundreds of pics like that. The truth is that you don't know what you are looking at. You don't know if those are aborted or miscarried fetuses. As for the weak stomach you mentioned when you rolled out your little off topic photo album, don't ever be female.

Again, how about get on topic and stay there?

Lets try to go deeper, beyond guns, what is the root of why these kids are killing kids? Is there any reason beyond guns, that you believe causes them to kill?

Some of us have already gone deeper. How have you addressed our comments?

I think we do have common ground in that politicians are hypocrites...I agree 100%.

Of course they are. When can we expect you to address the topic?