Niadna wrote:You are certainly entitled to your own opinion. I don't agree with it.
You're making a blanket statement and that's unfair. Which part of my opinion do you not agree with? Is it that you disagree the church caved into pressure as it did after the government forced the church to stop polygamy and arrested leaders of the church who went into hiding? Had not the church caved in it would have been seized and criminalized. Do you disagree that God came down and visited Kimball? Do you disagree that God came down and visited YOU? Do you disagree that the so-called Holy Ghost that sings different tunes in the heads of Latter-day Saints is a mess?
Niadna wrote:I don't have to imagine any such thing, because, er....it was lifted.
You're afraid. You're afraid to face the what if. Well guess what baby, the same thing is coming down the pike over the gay issue. It's going to be just as bad, maybe worse. The church will be forced to drop the ban on gays, losing the war, just as it did with polygamy. I think you'll be around long enough to see it happen.
Niadna wrote:Ah, but you have a problem with me defining those terms. ;)
I don't remember having a major problem with it, but I did agree it may be better to label a behavior then a person as RI brought up.
I see. So you have definitions that suit you, and that you use to help you respond to others and judge what they have to say. According to that judgment, you have determined that I am a "cafeteria Mormon" (which, by the way, is considered to be a denigration and an insult no matter who it's aimed at) because you have your own list of what Mormon Doctrine is, and so a TBM would have to believe in that specific list.
That's fine, actually. Define away. but if you do that, you also need to acknowledge the right of others to have their own definitions of terms they use. like "critic," "anti" and "extreme anti."
Just sayin'', is all.
I don't consider cafeteria Mormon as a bad thing. I was one for decades. I think it is good you reject some things like a global flood. by the way global flood is doctrine of the LDS church. They even had an ensign article to inform members of that. It doesn't mean you cannot be a member in good standing.
Can you please provide the contemporary reference where Joseph said he would pay for it, (and the quote) not just a page number in a book. Thank you.
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Niadna wrote:But 'picking and choosing' what to believe is what TBM's DO. Or rather, are supposed to do. We ARE supposed to examine, study and pray about everything, right? Get the confirmation of the Holy Ghost for beliefs?
Have you? Can you provide an example of an LDS doctrine you got confirmation of the Holy Ghost that was wrong. You say you don't believe in a global flood which is the doctrine of the church, but was that because the Holy Ghost told you it was wrong or was it from secular learning of science and how the world works? by the way I would say you are a cafeteria Mormon and TBM. Cafeteria to me fits better with chapel Mormon then TBM.
Shulem wrote:Hey grindael, Niadna so needs to have her ass kicked.
Niadna, did you know Joseph Smith called an Egyptian god a slave? Did you know that Joseph Smith was worse than a whore and a slut?
Fig. 6. Olimlah, a slave belonging to the prince.
False. Joseph Smith was a liar and a blasphemer. I'm glad they shot the bastard dead at Carthage. And his brother too. The Smith brothers were bastards. They deserved to die. They didn't deserve a trial but deserved to have God strike them dead or send a mob to do it for him.
grindael wrote:Can you please provide the contemporary reference where Joseph said he would pay for it, (and the quote) not just a page number in a book. Thank you.
That's going to have to wait a few days. I don't think you'll take wikipedia (I would not and am death on anybody who does), and the book itself isn't going to show up for a bit. I just ordered it.
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Niadna wrote:I don't have to imagine any such thing, because, er....it was lifted.
You're afraid. You're afraid to face the what if. Well guess what baby, the same thing is coming down the pike over the gay issue. It's going to be just as bad, maybe worse. The church will be forced to drop the ban on gays, losing the war, just as it did with polygamy. I think you'll be around long enough to see it happen.
Exactly how is the church going to 'accept gays' in a way that it does not now?
I'm curious.
...........and no, I honestly don't think I'm going to live to see it happen.
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