Trump Being Treasonous on Television

[_Themis]

I think much of the GOP would welcome Russian assistance maintaining power if they thought they could get away with it. They're covering for Trump covering for Russia, after all. Trump, being a giant man-baby, is just making subtext text as is his wont.

This is spot on. This is true also of a number of other parties in Europe that Russia is trying to get elected. They would be pissed if Russia helps someone else, but will let it slide if it helps them. I think because of this it is unlikely Trump will be impeached even if the investigation is completed and shows Trump was involved.

[_Jersey Girl]

U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


What does "adheres to their enemies" mean? That's where he could be charged, right?

[_Water Dog]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-th ... raq-2015-3

[_Jersey Girl]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-th ... raq-2015-3

Why? What has this got to do with Trump's statements today? The President rolled over on his own country on the world stage.

[_honorentheos]

Just gonna leave this here...

http://www.businessinsider.com/heres-th ... raq-2015-3

Dog, in a sense I agree with what you seem to imply here. That being, a rush to judgment following the momentum of a politically motivated crowd can be disastrous down the road.

But is that what you are legit arguing here, or just using for cover as a way of not being willing to look at the implications of the claims and the nature of the evidence coming out?

I was skeptical of the Bush Admin's claims but not dismissive until the Powell presentation to the UN. To me, the evidence didn't add up and while not completely conclusive in eliminating the potential of WMD's, it certainly didn't justify going to war.

In the case of the Russia investigation, while some are jumping right to impeachment off the line I think the actual direction being pursued is to let the investigations move forward. The evidence seems to justify doing so.

Do you disagree? Are you of the opinion the only right action is to shut down the Mueller investigation?

[_aussieguy55]

In the current situation why would Americans bother to vote? The voting machine has probably been hacked.

[_EAllusion]

In the current situation why would Americans bother to vote? The voting machine has probably been hacked.

1) Not necessarily.

2) That attitude cedes the election to the other side. In fact, merely thinking that helps the other side.

3) Any hacking attempt that has a reasonable chance of being successful has to work at the margins. If exit-polling and outcomes are way, way off, that's a clear sign of fraud. As such, a large enough victory nullifies that kind of inference.

[_EAllusion]

Water Dog's schtick is two-fold here. He cites the Bush admin forcing a misleading intelligence picture on Iraq WMD's to discredit information given by the intelligence community on any subject. "If they can't be trusted there, they can't be trusted anywhere" is the line of thought. This is meant to attack citing the mere fact that all of the US intelligence agencies have concluded that Russia interfered in the US election process with the goal being to elect Trump. But, beyond that mere conclusion, there's also a ton of evidence that this conclusion is true that is already accessible to the public. You don't need the mere say so of domestic intelligence to draw that conclusion. So Water Dog steps it up and notes that this evidence, naturally, has passed through the intelligence community and has touched their hands before we've seen it reported. So we can't trust that either. Literally nothing can be convincing.

At a certain point, I don't see why you engage that, but you should recognize the scope of the argument for what it is.

[_Maksutov]

Yep. We can trust Russians and North Koreans. We can't trust our allies from every conflict we've been in for over 70 years. We can't trust our own dedicated intelligence agencies, many of whom are staffed by decorated veterans and patriotic people from all parts of America. We can't trust an investigation that was approved by Congress and is conducted by a person beyond reproach. We can trust the President to some day release his tax information as he promised and allow us to "trust but verify". We can trust a man who lies proudly and constantly to tell us which media to listen to. We can trust a draft evader who disrespects wounded and decorated combat veterans. War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength.

[_canpakes]

Lol. Apparently Putin now just shoves his arm up Trump’s ass and works his jaws like a marionette.

Distances do not add up, try again.

Only if I had said, “dummy”.

Regardless, Trump has been known to talk out of his ass as well, so Putin has choices.