Themis wrote: Yes according to the story in the Book of Mormon Nahom was a place, but that means you are unwittingly admitting NHM is not evidence of Lehi really existing.
The Lehi clan didn't know NHM was a tribe. NHM is in Arabic, but for Hebrews the letters NHM mean "mourning".
I have a question wrote: “Tha Nahom Follies” by Philip Jenkins
Pure coincidence offers a more than adequate explanation for the supposed parallel – which, as I will show, is not even that close. When you actually look at the vaunted clincher evidence about Nahom, and understand how tenuous the alleged connections are, your response should properly be: when you get there, there’s no “there” there.
Just what exactly was found? Smith refers to a place called Nahom. The altar inscriptions, on the other hand, refer to a people or tribe. As a sober account in the Journal of Book of Mormon Studies notes, one text commemorates Bi’athar, son of Sawdum, son of Naw’um, the Nihmite. Based on extensive analogies, that last name should refer to a family title, like Benjaminite, with no necessary suggestion that the ancestral family was linked to the burial site. Usually, such tribes did not construct places bearing their names, but that’s not an absolute.
And that’s it? THAT “is the First Verifiable Book of Mormon Site”?
I could ask a follow up question. If the Lehi folks were still erecting inscribed monuments while they were crossing Arabia, why did they give up the practice (together with all traces of their writing, technology, pottery-making, metallurgy, architecture etc) the moment they hit the New World? Making a fresh start? And if they did keep up those skills and customs, where are the archaeological remains?
The Lehi clan thought NHM was linked to a small burial site nearby. We need to look at NHM from the perceptive of ancient Hebrews.
Since the altar was located in the Temple of the Queen of Sheba, what did the Lehi Company of Discovery make of that? Were they tempted to name the place Shebaville, but thought that might be disrespectful of the patriarchy?
moksha wrote:Since the altar was located in the Temple of the Queen of Sheba, what did the Lehi Company of Discovery make of that? Were they tempted to name the place Shebaville, but thought that might be disrespectful of the patriarchy?
The Lehi clan heard the NHM name from tribe members. For ancient Israelites NHM meant "mourning".
peacemaker wrote:The Lehi clan didn't know NHM was a tribe. NHM is in Arabic, but for Hebrews the letters NHM mean "mourning".
Actually NHM can mean many words, the vast majority having nothing to do with mourning, so a Hebrew would not translate NHM to mourning. They would need more context and if they cannot read the alter which is not located in a burial site they would not translate it into mourning. If they can read the writing on the alter they would also never translate NHM into mourning.
peacemaker wrote:The Lehi clan didn't know NHM was a tribe. NHM is in Arabic, but for Hebrews the letters NHM mean "mourning".
Actually NHM can mean many words, the vast majority having nothing to do with mourning, so a Hebrew would not translate NHM to mourning. They would need more context and if they cannot read the alter which is not located in a burial site they would not translate it into mourning. If they can read the writing on the alter they would also never translate NHM into mourning.
The Lehi clan heard NHM from tribe members living near a burial site. How do you know ancient Israelites wouldn't translate arabic NHM to mourning?
peacemaker wrote:The Lehi clan heard NHM from tribe members living near a burial site.
The Book of Mormon only says they avoided contact with others, so you are making quite the assertion. Almost all groups of people will live close to burial sites. It's what people do. You are now just making things up out of thin air. It's just as good to say they heard something about men living on the moon.
How do you know ancient Israelites wouldn't translate arabic NHM to mourning?
Because nhm can mean a multiple of words in Hebrew, most having nothing to do with mourning. So they would have no reason to translate nhm into morning.
Warren Aston promotes George Adamski and George Hunt Williamson's nonsense claims of meeting aliens from Venus and other planets (including traveling to the Moon and there seeing forests, seas and breathing without a spacesuit :D) . Aston was the English editor for the fawning biography of Williamson, is a frequent writer for the pseudoscience/occult magazine Fate and seems to have limitless credulity. What do you think about Orthon from Venus? About as believable as Moroni, right?
peacemaker wrote:The Lehi clan heard NHM from tribe members living near a burial site.
The Book of Mormon only says they avoided contact with others, so you are making quite the assertion. Almost all groups of people will live close to burial sites. It's what people do. You are now just making things up out of thin air. It's just as good to say they heard something about men living on the moon.
How do you know ancient Israelites wouldn't translate arabic NHM to mourning?
Because nhm can mean a multiple of words in Hebrew, most having nothing to do with mourning. So they would have no reason to translate nhm into morning.
The Book of Mormon doesn't say they avoided contact with others. Notice how Nephi uses Hebrew word play for Nahom in 1 Ne 16: 34-35 And it came to pass that Ishmael died, and was buried in the place which was called Nahom. 35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did mourn exceedingly.
peacemaker wrote:The Book of Mormon doesn't say they avoided contact with others.
That was the point of not having fires to cook their food.
Notice how Nephi uses Hebrew word play for Nahom in 1 Ne 16: 34-35 And it came to pass that Ishmael died, and was buried in the place which was called Nahom. 35 And it came to pass that the daughters of Ishmael did mourn exceedingly.
It doesn't solve the problem that NHM has many different meanings in Hebrew and the place you like that uses it does not use it as Nahom or having anything to do with mourning. The place was not named Nahom and there is no connection with the Book of Mormon.
