EAllusion wrote:It also occurs to me that there was a period on this board where the conservatrolls loved to attack me for being a leech on the state for doing social work. And while that misunderstood my job, I'm the kind of person that gets dispatched to help people like him. The more information that comes out, the more familiar he is seeming to me. When people talk about the need to connect people like this to mental health resources, that does mean paying people like me to exist.
I think that most of us understand what you do and appreciate it.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
EAllusion wrote:I feel for the guy. Don't get me wrong; he's not a good person. But the more information that comes out, the more clear it is he has a genuine mental disability and may have a mild intellectual disability. His Twitter feed is simultaneously crazy and, aside from the odd Seminole stuff, a dime a dozen in conservative culture. He seems to have taken it to heart. He's a broken person who was weaponized by bad rhetoric.
Mostly agree. From his Twitter history he promoted 911 truth and has a lot of anti Bush stuff too. Along with chemtrail conspiracies. He was a misfit and taken in by these internet subcultures.
Taken in by "these internet subcultures"? In this case, I'd say he was taken in by Trump's divisive violence promoting rhetoric.
But don't go by me.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Maxine Waters wrote:Wasn't Cesar a convicted felon back in 2014? How did Trump's election influence that? Is there some kind of backward causation in play?
And Florida doesn't automatically restore voting rights to convicted felons. So how was Cesar a registered Republican?
I don't see how him being a registered Republican or not makes any difference. What do you think about it?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
EAllusion wrote:I feel for the guy. Don't get me wrong; he's not a good person. But the more information that comes out, the more clear it is he has a genuine mental disability and may have a mild intellectual disability. His Twitter feed is simultaneously crazy and, aside from the odd Seminole stuff, a dime a dozen in conservative culture. He seems to have taken it to heart. He's a broken person who was weaponized by bad rhetoric.
Oh I have no doubt this guy has serious issues. IQ wise and probably mentally too. But Trump and his rhetoric attracts this kind of people. I could totally see LDSFAQS in the news over a botched terrorist plot. And I could totally see him living in a van like this guy has.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oh my god this is amazing. I googled 'cesar sayoc registered democrat' to see how the right-wing would spin this, one thing led to another, and I landed here:
You just have to read the whole thing. Mental illness meets the Internet. Lol...
I love it.
- Doc
I'm reading comments sections on various sites and it's all pretty unfortunate. Sigh.
Here's a bit from a lawyer interviewed on CNN who defended the guy in the past.
“He never seemed sophisticated enough to do something like he’s accused of. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that there were either others who helped prod and encourage him to do this, or that the bombs in fact were so crudely made, they never could have worked. Because he didn’t seem to have the intellectual capacity to plane a conspiracy like this, in my opinion.”
I don't think it was sophisticated in any way. But, for what it's worth.
Lol... I don't know what to say. People want to believe in mysterious forces at work. Hell, I was leaning towards an unhinged Liberal version of Cesar Sayoc doing this to bring bad press on Trump. Whatever the case may be, this is proof positive that rhetoric does, in fact, inspire people to do awful things. We see this across the political spectrum.
Don't bet on Trump being introspective, though. Ain't gonna happen.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Jersey Girl wrote:Taken in by "these internet subcultures"? In this case, I'd say he was taken in by Trump's divisive violence promoting rhetoric.
But don't go by me.
I'm pretty sure Alex Jones predates 2016, but don't go by me. I saw a movie some years ago that genuinely disturbed me. Might have mentioned it around here before. Rampage, I think from around 2009. It's like leftist anarchy porn. This vigilante goes around killing people and ultimately ends up at a local news station. I think they made a sequel. Doesn't V for vendetta have a similar theme? Shooter with Mark Wahlberg. What's that other one with Gerard Butler? Or that other one, White House Down? The list is endless. Trump didn't create media culture, but he is skilled at leveraging it.
Jersey Girl wrote:Taken in by "these internet subcultures"? In this case, I'd say he was taken in by Trump's divisive violence promoting rhetoric.
But don't go by me.
I'm pretty sure Alex Jones predates 2016, but don't go by me. I saw a movie some years ago that genuinely disturbed me. Might have mentioned it around here before. Rampage, I think from around 2009. It's like leftist anarchy porn. This vigilante goes around killing people and ultimately ends up at a local news station. I think they made a sequel. Doesn't V for vendetta have a similar theme? Shooter with Mark Wahlberg. What's that other one with Gerard Butler? Or that other one, White House Down? The list is endless. Trump didn't create media culture, but he is skilled at leveraging it.
Still dodging the obvious, sis?
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Oh my god this is amazing. I googled 'cesar sayoc registered democrat' to see how the right-wing would spin this, one thing led to another, and I landed here:
You just have to read the whole thing. Mental illness meets the Internet. Lol...
I love it.
- Doc
Yep. 4chan. It’s kind of a passionate hobby of many there to both gin up crazy conspiracy stories and make memes designed to elevate the loony rhetoric of the Trump crowd. This is where much of Dog’s crap originates.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Lol... I don't know what to say. People want to believe in mysterious forces at work.
Like Russian election hackers. Conservative crazy is dismissed. The left wing crazy wins FISA requests and runs on CNN 24/7. I have to wonder too, is this even real? Not that it matters. Half of pol is pure trollbait just to see what conspiracy they can make viral.
