Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

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Res Ipsa wrote:What constantly amazes me is how the modern right decries victim mentality when it comes to folks who aren't white or feminists, when their own culture is one giant victim mentality. And because they are being victimized, they blame others for their own actions. it's a complete caricature of the Republican party i've known for most of my life.

The modern right is a product of decades of right-wing media. The central message of Rush Limbaugh et al is "you should be afraid" and "you should be resentful of black folks, of brown folks, and of liberals." Again, while they accuse liberals of engaging in the politics of resentment, it's what they actually do en masse.

This.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:This is the comments section about Green Bay Packers' Ty Montgomery disregarding his coach's direction to take a knee in order to give Rodgers two minutes and one timeout for a last drive against the Rams (he fumbled a kickoff return):

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Social media totally distorts how we all view one another, how we communicate, and how we react to vitriol. This in the new norm, and it applies to every aspect of public discourse now.

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NFL players can't win. Are they supposed to take a knee or not? ;)
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DarkHelmet wrote:NFL players can't win. Are they supposed to take a knee or not?


I can't tell if you're being cheeky or not, but in case you were being serious Ty Montgomery ran the ball out of the end zone instead of taking a knee in order to give Rodgers a last possession. It doesn't have anything to do with the anthem.

If you were being cheeky, my bad!

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
DarkHelmet wrote:NFL players can't win. Are they supposed to take a knee or not?


I can't tell if you're being cheeky or not, but in case you were being serious Ty Montgomery ran the ball out of the end zone instead of taking a knee in order to give Rodgers a last possession. It doesn't have anything to do with the anthem.

If you were being cheeky, my bad!

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I was being cheeky. It was a dumb joke.
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canpakes wrote:I guess that even the racists and conspiracy mongers need their safe spaces, or they’ll get their feelings hurt and will lash out, which will then be everyone else’s fault.

As usual, the leftist gets it exactly backwards. When you silence people, censor, enforce "correct" language, restrict their free speech, kick them off a medium, that's YOU creating a safe space for yourself.
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Exiled wrote:I think the answer to awful speech is more speech denouncing the awful speech, not outlawing speech certain groups don't like. Besides, I think people can see right through what a lot of these nut jobs are peddling and we don't need some net nanny telling us what to think or what we can or cannot say. Doesn't the MAD board like to ban speech it doesn't like?


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How exactly do you even debate with 100 people threatening to kill you and the person inciting them?

Resolved: You should not kill me.

Vague and misleading statements about suppression of speech are doing an awful lot of cover work here.
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EAllusion wrote:Twitter is really inconsistent about policy enforcement, and a lot of this advantages alt-right groups who repeatedly violate terms of service. There's no shortage of Nazis on Twitter acting like Nazis. It takes a lot, including bad luck, to get banned. The magabomber was issuing death threats on Twitter to media and his account was untouched. On the flip side, alt-right groups have repeatedly gotten people they dislike suspended and banned on Twitter by mass-complaining about out of context tweets, which has been asinine every time it has happened. Twitter's enforcement sucks because Dorsey really doesn't care and there's no desire to invest more in human moderation. It's no trouble at all to find examples of person A getting suspended or banned for things Person B did that did not result in the same action.

The game in this line of posting from you is pretending that people are getting banned for mere expression of conservative views, when typically what we are talking about is outright threatening and harassing behavior or inciting the same. That's why you don't outline specifically what conservative views you are talking about. Why was Milo banned again? Conservatives, even straight up Nazis, have Twitter accounts with no problem. Gab itself has an active Twitter account.

There's no reason to believe that social connections formed via Twitter are less sturdy than those formed on Gab and the reach of Twitter is obviously much more extensive than Gab. So the theory that being banned from Twitter is going to create a den of influential radicalization in Gab seems to be missing a few steps. What Gab does for forming and amplifying connections around an ideology, Twitter also does.

This isn't my observation at all. Or even the admission of Twitter itself. What's actually going on is Twitter silently starts to shadow ban popular conservative voices. That's not a ban. It's just an underhanded attempt to promote certain types of speech over others. No justification for this practice can be made.

If something crosses a line, like it's criminal, you don't quietly conceal it, you ban it. What you should do first is call the police... and then ban it when a court orders you to take it down. When you silently silence someone, what else could that be for? That's not a concern over "hate speech," you just don't like that guy's views.

In the case of people who are fully banned, no, I don't see what you're talking about either. I'd have to dig into all the people that have been banned. But it seems objectively obvious that Twitter goes after popular right-wing voices, while being completely cool with awful behavior from popular left-wing voices. Yes, a lot of unpopular wackos fall through the cracks. Which actually serves to prove my point. Twitter doesn't actually want to force nazis off its website. It wants to keep some number of them around for the purpose of creating their anti-conservative parodies.

You think they didn't know about Robert Bowers? Of course they did. They have lots of algorithms that will give them a list of people engaging in certain types of speech at the click of a button. They absolutely knew he existed and didn't give a damn because nobody was following him. He was, relatively speaking, a tiny and irrelevant voice. He was a useful idiot to make fun of when they wanted a screen cap of how racist and antisemitic conservatives are.

It would be interesting to compare. Why did Milo Yiannopoulos get banned? I'm not sure to be honest. Trying to look it up, it appears that he got banned because he made fun of the new Ghost Busters Girl Power movie. One of the actresses, Leslie Jones, got butthurt and cried racism. LOL. He referred to her as "barely literate." ROFL. On the other hand libs refer to conservatives as everything you can imagine, baby killers, rapists, racists, yada yada. I'm not seeing how the ban of Yiannopoulos is justifiable. What did he do? It appears that he was simply getting too popular. And he was getting really popular. He had hundreds of thousands of followers.

Milo is a very impolite person. But a racist? A nazi? LOL, no, I don't think so.
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EAllusion wrote:How exactly do you even debate with 100 people threatening to kill you and the person inciting them?

Resolved: You should not kill me.

Vague and misleading statements about suppression of speech are doing an awful lot of cover work here.

This is a stupid argument. What are you even talking about? If people are making death threats - CALL THE POLICE. Problem solved. Many birds with one stone, in fact. If someone was calling me on the phone, harassing me, I would CALL THE POLICE.
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Water Dog wrote:You're right, I didn't send much time on gab. I was responding to EAllusion's one-sided description of the situation, as if revoking the free speech of these people is justified.


It is justified when it is hate speech. That you blurted out GAB is just another example of you shooting yourself in the foot.

Tucker Carlson defends Gab, a social media app dubbed “a haven for white nationalists”

A link to media matters. Can you feel my eye roll? The determination of whether something is "hate speech" or not is for the courts. We have a system for that. According to you, anything that doesn't promote the radical left is hate speech. Heaven help us if the courts ever reflect that attitude.
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