Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four wounded

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Re: Religious Hate Crime in Pittsburgh: Eight Dead/four woun

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Water Dog wrote:
EAllusion wrote:How exactly do you even debate with 100 people threatening to kill you and the person inciting them?

Resolved: You should not kill me.

Vague and misleading statements about suppression of speech are doing an awful lot of cover work here.

This is a stupid argument. What are you even talking about? If people are making death threats - CALL THE POLICE. Problem solved. Many birds with one stone, in fact. If someone was calling me on the phone, harassing me, I would CALL THE POLICE.
I thought you were upset that this free speech was being oppressed by banning people from a private website. Now you want the state to crush them? That’s a heck of a swing.

Anywho, please report some Twitter threats to the police and tell us about the results.
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Water Dog wrote:
EAllusion wrote:How exactly do you even debate with 100 people threatening to kill you and the person inciting them?

Resolved: You should not kill me.

Vague and misleading statements about suppression of speech are doing an awful lot of cover work here.

This is a stupid argument. What are you even talking about? If people are making death threats - CALL THE POLICE. Problem solved. Many birds with one stone, in fact. If someone was calling me on the phone, harassing me, I would CALL THE POLICE.


EA perfectly captures what's wrong with the Left and the way they think and communicate. Here:

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They're all the same.

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Let's think.

This is a thread about the killing of Jews by an avowed and passionate anti-semite, and the factors that may have encouraged this crime. So far as I am aware, in the USA the great majority of social media anti-semitism is found on right-wing websites.

We now seem to be talking about a whole lot of rather different topics, including (in DrC's last post) 'Why all Leftists are the same, and why this one white guy won't vote democrat any more'.

How is this stuff relevant to the OP? Or is it a deliberate distraction?
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Water Dog wrote:
EAllusion wrote:How exactly do you even debate with 100 people threatening to kill you and the person inciting them?

Resolved: You should not kill me.

Vague and misleading statements about suppression of speech are doing an awful lot of cover work here.

This is a stupid argument. What are you even talking about? If people are making death threats - CALL THE POLICE. Problem solved. Many birds with one stone, in fact. If someone was calling me on the phone, harassing me, I would CALL THE POLICE.


Problem solved? You poor naïve puppy. You think a local police department can and will arrest an army of harassers who create fake accounts or spoof e-mail addresses?

According to Dog, it’s just fine for Milo to unleash his dude bro fans to harass people he targets off of Twitter, but it’s a horrible suppression of free speech to revoke his Twitter privileges for doing so.
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Res Ipsa wrote:According to Dog, it’s just fine for Milo to unleash his dude bro fans to harass people he targets off of Twitter, but it’s a horrible suppression of free speech to revoke his Twitter privileges for doing so.


Here we see homophobia in full swing. RI's hateful and anti-homosexual agenda should be noted for all to see. We should ban him from further posting until he apologizes for his anti-LGTBQ+ screed.

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Here we see homophobia in full swing. RI's hateful and anti-homosexual agenda should be noted for all to see.



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Wake me up if someone posts anything amusing, OK?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:According to Dog, it’s just fine for Milo to unleash his dude bro fans to harass people he targets off of Twitter, but it’s a horrible suppression of free speech to revoke his Twitter privileges for doing so.


Here we see homophobia in full swing. RI's hateful and anti-homosexual agenda should be noted for all to see. We should ban him from further posting until he apologizes for his anti-LGTBQ+ screed.

- Doc


And off the rails he goes, for the thousandth time. As this is more of your “mirroring” nonsense, how about you copy and paste for me the example of my speech that you claim to be “mirroring.”
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EAllusion wrote:Anywho, please report some Twitter threats to the police and tell us about the results.


Okay...

https://www.complex.com/pop-culture/201 ... -arrested/

Also, I was calling b.s. on the bans being about death threats if that wasn't clear. The examples we're talking about, like Milo, who was he threatening? The bans aren't about that at all. If they were, Twitter or the subjects of said threats would call the police.

In fact, check this out. From the aforelinked article.

Last year, the NYPD asked Twitter to give up information on a user who threatened to carry out an Aurora-like shooting at a Broadway theater. Twitter refused to cooperate, so now the boys in blue are working to subpoena the social network.


Twitter refused to cooperate? Well, that's odd. Or not, if you understand what their goal actually is. Why would they do that? Because all their lefty activists would go to jail and/or flee the platform because it would cease to be a safe space for them. They don't want a reputation for doxxing users to the cops.

Res Ipsa wrote:Problem solved? You poor naïve puppy. You think a local police department can and will arrest an army of harassers who create fake accounts or spoof e-mail addresses?

According to Dog, it’s just fine for Milo to unleash his dude bro fans to harass people he targets off of Twitter, but it’s a horrible suppression of free speech to revoke his Twitter privileges for doing so.

And another stupid argument. I doubt most of the people you're talking about are criminal masterminds and go through all the effort to conceal their identity from Twitter like that. And if they do, so what? You just provided another reason for why your ban makes no sense. They can just go and create another account. What has been accomplished? If you don't respond to them, they're just howling into the ether. Someone can go buy a burner phone and talk into the static all day long... how does this affect you? You act like they're hijacking the system in some way, but that's not how Twitter works. Also, it would be really easy for Twitter to allow for the de-anonymization of certain threads. So someone could post a thread and check the box stating only verified accounts can respond to it. I wonder why they don't offer such a feature? I dunno, perhaps because it would largely prevent antifa thugs from stalking folks like Ben Shapiro the way they do.
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Water Dog wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:You're right, I didn't send much time on gab. I was responding to EAllusion's one-sided description of the situation, as if revoking the free speech of these people is justified.


It is justified when it is hate speech. That you blurted out GAB is just another example of you shooting yourself in the foot.

Tucker Carlson defends Gab, a social media app dubbed “a haven for white nationalists”


I don't think shutting down sites like Gab is a good strategy. It creates a persecution complex, and these people will just find another place to meet. I like the idea of letting sites like Gab operate in the open which allows the rest of us to monitor the chatter and assess any potential real life threats. One of the benefits for allowing and encouraging free speech is you know who the nuts are before they act out.
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DarkHelmet wrote:... allows the rest of us to monitor the chatter and assess any potential real life threats. One of the benefits for allowing and encouraging free speech is you know who the nuts are before they act out.


You, uh, monitor websites for hatespeech? And what are you going to do when 'WasatchCougarHunter69' says he wants to see all Lithuanians die in a fire?

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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