Chap wrote:So far I've seen nothing on this thread to convince me that Mr Ryan is wrong about that. The words of the 14th are plain, simple, and have been well understood for generations.
A new day is dawning, Chap. Little things like the Fourteenth Amendment won't be an impediment in the new, improved TrumpAmerica. The man believes that if he signs his name enough, he is accomplishing something.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization." - Will Durant "We've kept more promises than we've even made" - Donald Trump "Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist." - Edwin Land
schreech wrote:It cracks me up that Trump has his confused "conservative" trumpologist-sycophants bending over backwards to try to "interpret" the constitution in a way that makes their dear leader not look like the completely incompetent, clueless fool that he is. At least Ryan, as spineless as he is, is currently acting like an actual conservative who believes in the words written on the constitution instead of caving and pretending the like the ravings of the lunatic Cheeto reflect conservative values.
The Hardcore Base cohort that mounts these ridiculous defenses doesn’t care that Trump is spouting drivel. All that matters to them is the hope that Trump says or does something on any given day that’s intended to supposedly piss off ‘liberals’. They choose a strange way to measure self-worth, but I guess it is what it is.
canpakes wrote:The Hardcore Base cohort that mounts these ridiculous defenses doesn’t care that Trump is spouting drivel. All that matters to them is the hope that Trump says or does something on any given day that’s intended to supposedly piss off ‘liberals’. They choose a strange way to measure self-worth, but I guess it is what it is.
Some people choose feelings over facts then accuse people they hate of doing that.
Newsroom House Speaker Paul Ryan refuted President Trump's claim that he can end the right to citizenship for the children of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on US soil.
gosh, I'll bet those naysayers are starting to feel pretty silly...
Paul Ryan is correct, of course. But I'm pretty sure he's a cuck now. I could be wrong. Subbie? Waterdog? Is Paul Ryan a cuck?
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
DarkHelmet wrote:Paul Ryan is correct, of course. But I'm pretty sure he's a cuck now. I could be wrong. Subbie? Waterdog? Is Paul Ryan a cuck?
Ryan has been a cuck for a long time. Nothing new there.
Lindsay seems to disagree with him. And Lindsay does have a wee bit more legal experience than Ryan. for what it's worth. Of course I don't know what Graham is actually talking about either. Historically he's been an amnesty apologist, so when he opines on immigration I take it with a grain of salt. Believe it when I see it. He has seemed to find his balls though after McCain died, so maybe this is the version 2.0 update we're seeing.
schreech wrote:Ryan: Trump can't end birthright citizenship
Newsroom House Speaker Paul Ryan refuted President Trump's claim that he can end the right to citizenship for the children of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on US soil.
Yup. "Well, you obviously cannot do that. You cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order. ... as Conservatives we believe in the Constitution ... I'm a believer in following the plain text of the Constitution, and I think in this case the 14th Amendment is pretty clear."
So far I've seen nothing on this thread to convince me that Mr Ryan is wrong about that. The words of the 14th are plain, simple, and have been well understood for generations.
you should probably listen to what Ryan said....jus sayin
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Newsroom House Speaker Paul Ryan refuted President Trump's claim that he can end the right to citizenship for the children of non-citizens and unauthorized immigrants born on US soil.
gosh, I'll bet those naysayers are starting to feel pretty silly...
Paul Ryan is correct, of course. But I'm pretty sure he's a cuck now. I could be wrong. Subbie? Waterdog? Is Paul Ryan a cuck?
Correct of course?...what part of Ryan's "refutation" convinced you?...was it when he said "he can't do that because we didn't like it when Obama did that"?
But seriously, can you quote Ryan being correct? , of course.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
subgenius wrote: Correct of course?...what part of Ryan's "refutation" convinced you?...was it when he said "he can't do that because we didn't like it when Obama did that"?
But seriously, can you quote Ryan being correct? , of course.
I don't think he was relying on Ryan's authority as a legal scholar so much noting that even Paul Ryan is aware of secondary school level civics that some oddball radicals have tried to jettison through subgenius level reasoning.
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Given Leftists are playing games with this caravan it's fairly obvious this is Trump's return salvo.
- Doc
We need illegal immigrants.
Immigrants complement U.S. workers, which increases demand for the skills that natives possess. Adding more construction workers, for example, increases demand for civil engineers, which raises their wages.
More workers also benefit Americans by lowering the prices of goods and services. By leaving more money in the pockets of consumers, Americans can buy more elsewhere in the economy, which creates demand for jobs in those areas. The market adapts to the new workers, and the result is higher wages for everyone.
Economists from both sides of the debate have converged on this conclusion. Economist George Borjas, who is often cited by immigration opponents, agrees with economists Gianmarco Oattaviano and Giovanni Peri, who are often cited by immigration proponents, that immigrants have raised wages for Americans between 0.1 percent and 0.6 percent.
American jobs rely on immigrant jobs. One recent study by economists at the Department of Agriculture estimated that a policy that forced out or prevented the entry of 5.8 million workers would cut domestic incomes by 1 percent. Stopping immigration, in other words, would actually impose a cost on Americans.
