7 Actions that Could Shrink the Gender Wage Gap

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7 Actions that Could Shrink the Gender Wage Gap

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According to "7 Actions that Could Shrink the Gender Wage Gap" article


1. Raise the minimum wage

2. Raise the tipped minimum wage

3. Support fair scheduling practices

4. Support pay transparency

5. Invest in affordable, high-quality child care and early childhood education

6. Pass paid sick days legislation

7. Pass a national paid family and medical leave insurance program



https://www.americanprogress.org/issues ... -wage-gap/

It seems the issue is not really the gender wage gap. I can't find any evidence of gender inequality in the United States. If there is some evidence let me know.
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If there is some evidence let me know.


You can always make statistics fit a predetermined conclusion. So if a man works 70 hours/week and makes more than a woman working 30 hours/week the fact that he earns more money than she does is because of gender discrimination in the minds of many.
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Doubting Thomas what exactly does it mean to support fair scheduling practices? To me, if you're available to your employer more hours or at odd scheduling times, why shouldn't you get paid more, since you're more valuable to your employer?
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Okay you sucked me in with #5. Here I go. This is what the article states and my response will be in between the lines. For the time being, I'll accept the statistics that are used below since I haven't researched prior.

5. Invest in affordable, high-quality child care and early childhood education
Each day, 11 million children spend time in the care of someone other than a parent. Among children under age 6, 65 percent either live with only a single parent who works or two parents who both work. For parents of young children, particularly those who are low-income, the lack of affordable, high-quality early childhood programs can prevent working parents from ensuring that their families are cared for while they fulfill the demands of their jobs and can inhibit their long-term success.


We already have affordable child care and early education in this country. We've already invested in it. What more should we be doing? Be specific. And I make that request already knowing that you (and whomever wrote these initiatives) aren't prepared to meet it.

Give me any state and I'll show you their programs for affordable child care.

Furthermore, child care costed more than median rent in every state in 2012, yet access to reliable child care is a requirement for working parents to maintain employment.


No question about it. Infant care in particular comes with a huge price tag. There's a reason for that. A solid reason for that, that these types of articles fail to address. And yet, as I stated above, there are state and federal programs that provide assistance to parents seeking affordable quality care and education for young children.

Legislation such as the proposed Strong Start for America’s Children Act invests in high-quality and sustainable early learning environments for young children, working families, and the future of our country. Investing in affordable, high-quality child care creates long-lasting structures that support both working parents and children, increasing women’s ability to keep a job, excel in the workforce, and lower the gender wage gap.


I've been looking at such proposals for a good thirty years now. Going back into the 80's (yep, I can) early childhood education primarily involved part-day educational programs for young children and their parents. Yes, we educate parents as well. That's where I entered the scene.

What we think of today as child care or day care centers, didn't start to grow until the late 80's and early 90's and that coincided with an influx of mothers re-entering the work force. That is NOT to say that child care programs or family child care didn't exist until that time. What I am saying is that the field grew exponentially during that time period and for the first time we began to see day care facilities spring up around the nation until today when the for profit chains have become, more often than not, the visible norm vs the non-profit programs that dominated the field even 20 years ago.

What the article is missing and probably every article I ever read is missing are the following:

1. We already have state and federally funded quality programs. Pick a state and I'll show you what they have to make child care affordable to parents. Better yet, if you're serious about the topic, do your own homework. Get on your state's department of human or social or family services. The tuition assistance program isn't difficult to find.

2. We want higher quality programs and yet the article (like most all articles of this nature) fails to define just what "quality" is. We know we want it. We just don't know what it is.

3. If we want higher quality programs that in turn means that we want quality staffing and THAT'S where the problem as I see it, truly lies. Back in the 90's the NAEYC (National Association for the Education of Young Children--largest organization of ECP's in the country that sets the standard for quality in the nation and accreditation for programs--though it's not the only game in town) announced it's Worthy Wage Campaign in order to promote living wages for early childhood educators such as myself.

A worth living wage never happened.

Unless one is in an adminstrative position, teachers and TA's (many of whom are degree holding candidates or at least meet their state's requirements) do NOT make a living wage. This is why there is a high turnover rate in the field and the only reason that someone like myself could stay in the field for so long was because I didn't need the income to start with though I did earn a healthy income as admin for a period of years--never accept a salaried position.

Anecdotally, at my last (state owned) program exactly NO single unmarried lead teachers (male or female) or TA's were living on their own because they made crap money.

And yet, some years back (without ever achieving the goal of providing a living wage) the NAEYC in it's infinite wisdom (sarcasm) published new quality standards with a proposal that all ECE teachers in a lead position, must hold a Bachelor's degree by 2020.

And yes, my state does have some forms of tuition assistance for professional development so that teachers can earn their degrees.

But listen to what I am telling you now. Let's say you're a single lead teacher who has been informed that you need to meet the new criteria. You have earned whatever credential you needed in order to meet state standards to teach in a lead position, likely working full time and going to school either part or full time, you aren't making a living wage--and now you have to go back to school while fufilling the responsibilities of a lead teaching position (this work is all consuming trust me on that) when you can barely afford to gas up your car and put clothes on your back that don't come from Goodwill because you're making crap money and state funded tuition assistance doesn't pay for books at 300$+ a whack--so you are NEVER going to dig yourself out of the financial hole you're in, you're never going to be able to afford to move out of your parent's home and so...you walk on it.

We have a primarily female dominated workforce, most of whom are highly dedicated to and well suited for their work, who are not making anything close to a living wage, and who are reading proposals such as this article contains demanding more affordable child care and education and not one of these articles gives a rock solid damn that the field itself is demanding that you further your education and while you have a strong desire to do so you know that money for funding to increase the quality of programs and environments (when these articles are written by people who don't know how to define it) isn't going to fall out of the sky, it sure as hell isn't going to fly into YOUR pockets because the folks demanding higher quality have forgotten about the very people who devotedly facilitate those programs--you.

These calls for "higher quality" are BS. I can provide a high quality learning environment and program on a shoe string budget and I have. Give me some square footage, a reasonable start up budget, give me some time to scrounge, and I'll light it up like a Christmas tree and show you what I can do with very little money. It doesn't take tons of state or federal dollars to raise the quality of a program. What it takes is for this I want, I want, I want, society--to develop a healthy respect for the children and the adults who teach and care for young children and provide incentives for those adults to stay in the field.

Because quality doesn't come from purchasing new classroom furniture, colorful plastic crap or technology. Quality comes straight from the motivated hearts and heads of our early childhood professionals.

And we fail miserably in compensating them for the outstanding service contribution they provide to our children and families. So they become demoralized and they walk.
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You have earned whatever credential you needed in order to meet state standards to teach in a lead position, likely working full time and going to school either part or full time, you aren't making a living wage--and now you have to go back to school while fufilling the responsibilities of a lead teaching position (this work is all consuming trust me on that) when you can barely afford to gas up your car and put clothes on your back that don't come from Goodwill because you're making ____ money and state funded tuition assistance doesn't pay for books at 300$+ a whack--so you are NEVER going to dig yourself out of the financial hole you're in, you're never going to be able to afford to move out of your parent's home and so...you walk on it.


That's an excellent summary of what it's like to be a public education teacher. The bottom line is that people want top of the line trained teachers but aren't willing to pay for it.
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ajax18 wrote:people want top of the line trained teachers but aren't willing to pay for it.


I agree with ajax18.

Some people who earn much larger salaries seem to be under the impression that bright and hard-working people should be prepared to work as teachers for ridiculous salaries as if it was some kind of religious vocation. (Oh, and 'the holidays'. When they have to work too, usually)

Such people are kidding themselves, and everybody else. Peanuts. Monkeys (mostly, plus a few angels). You generally get what you pay for.
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The actual problem here (and I better add this on because I didn't follow up on the infant care statement) is that in this country the cost of child care isn't high enough.

Go back to the infant care statement with the high price tag. The reason it's so costly is due to fact that state mandated adult:child ratios are so much lower for infant care than toddler and preschool. Typically we see a 1:4 ish ratio.

Those ratios by age (as well as all of the other state statues that programs are held to) are part of what constitutes quality. You cannot plug in the appropriate amount of staffing without paying for it and you cannot keep good staff long term without paying them well.

If I have a program that is exclusively preschool, I can maintain adult:child ratios for far more children with far less staffing and far less funding than a program that includes infant and toddler components.

Let's say your state ratio for infants is 1:4. I can legally staff an entire preschool class of approx. 12 children with 1 staff member. (I'd want an aide in there or at the very least a floating aide) where in an infant nursery, in order to provide high quality care (no, the group size for infants is not 12 but let's use it anyway) I'd need triple that amount of lead staff plus at least a couple of aides because in infant care it takes a village. :-)

And none of this counts qualified support staff to facilitate staff breaks and fill absences throughout the building, keeping in mind I need support staff that in a large day care center, are qualified to address all three age groups and possibly school agers if after care is involved. Each age level represents a differing set of criteria depending on how the staff member has met whatever credential they hold.

Hopefully that's clear enough. Do the math.
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ajax18 wrote:
You have earned whatever credential you needed in order to meet state standards to teach in a lead position, likely working full time and going to school either part or full time, you aren't making a living wage--and now you have to go back to school while fufilling the responsibilities of a lead teaching position (this work is all consuming trust me on that) when you can barely afford to gas up your car and put clothes on your back that don't come from Goodwill because you're making ____ money and state funded tuition assistance doesn't pay for books at 300$+ a whack--so you are NEVER going to dig yourself out of the financial hole you're in, you're never going to be able to afford to move out of your parent's home and so...you walk on it.


That's an excellent summary of what it's like to be a public education teacher. The bottom line is that people want top of the line trained teachers but aren't willing to pay for it.


It had better be a good summary. I've got three decades backing that up.

Regarding public school teachers. It is much the same thing. You enter your teaching postion with your Bachelors only to learn that the school district expects you to earn your Masters in x number of years when you already have a demanding job, you already take work home, you already pony up some of your own money to supplement your classroom budget because it's never enough, you already in most cases do not get paid in summer or your year round pay is pro-rated throughout the year which means it's approx. 9 months of pay spread out over 12 months so it's never enough, so you take an extra job in summer.

And on and on and on the demands vs stress vs benefits go.

It's insanity.
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ajax18 wrote: The bottom line is that people want top of the line trained teachers but aren't willing to pay for it.


People forget that education is a triangular relationship between student, home/community and school.

Tell me what those people, who are demanding higher quality in early education and care, are doing to fulfill their part in the relationship?

Think about it. The article is suggesting that our country's ECE programs INCREASE quality while LOWERING cost.

They want to pay less money for higher quality.

They want, they want, they want, they want.

They want someone else to meet their financial and parenting responsiblities is what they really want.
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