Born Again

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LittleNipper wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5pQV_Vf3Hc

Dear LittleNipper,

Your post is in violation of Universal Rule #10, which reads:

  • Do not EVER "link-and-run." If you post a link to something, always explain what's at the other end of the link, why it's important, and what you hope other readers / viewers learn from it. RULE OF THUMB: If it's not worth your time to describe it, then it's not worth our time to click on it.

Therefore, please edit your opening post to bring it into compliance with Universal Rule #10. Thank you.
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LittleNipper wrote:Are you living for Christ or an organization? Man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD look upon one's heart.

Wait what? I thought it was by grace alone. If there are conditions (gotchas) involved then it is no longer by grace but by doing the works, however small, that make up the conditions.

LittleNipper wrote:There is far more evidence today regarding Creation as a theory than ever existed. The perspective regarding Noah's Flood and the Ark were not even regarded and developed 100 years ago. And all the support for Creation is growing far faster than that of evolution. http://www.Bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm Please provide a full scientific explanation as to how human footprints could exist together with that of dinosaurs.


Wow, even diehard creationists have for the most part abandoned this shtick.

The largest number of "man tracks" are forms of elongate, metatarsal dinosaur tracks, made by bipedal dinosaurs that sometimes impressed their metatarsi (heels and soles) as they walked. When the digit impressions of such tracks are subdued by mud-backflow or secondary infilling, a somewhat human shape often results.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

Then along came Mr. Kuban, a computer programmer from Brunswick, Ohio, who majored in biology in college and has become an experienced student of dinosaur tracks. In 1980 he began to re-examine the Paluxy tracks in question, finding some faint impressions of toes that had gone largely unnoticed.

Two summers ago, pursuing the investigation, Mr. Kuban said he found evidence that ''practically jumped out at you.'' Ronnie J. Hastings, a high school science teacher from Waxahachie, Tex., made a similar discovery at about the same time. Almost every one of the alleged human tracks, they found, was accompanied by distinct colorations in the rock that, upon detailed analysis, revealed the pattern of dinosaurian digits.

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/scie ... urian.html
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Are you living for Christ or an organization? Man looks on the outward appearance, but the LORD look upon one's heart.

Wait what? I thought it was by grace alone. If there are conditions (gotchas) involved then it is no longer by grace but by doing the works, however small, that make up the conditions.

LittleNipper wrote:There is far more evidence today regarding Creation as a theory than ever existed. The perspective regarding Noah's Flood and the Ark were not even regarded and developed 100 years ago. And all the support for Creation is growing far faster than that of evolution. http://www.Bible.ca/tracks/tracks.htm Please provide a full scientific explanation as to how human footprints could exist together with that of dinosaurs.


Wow, even diehard creationists have for the most part abandoned this shtick.

The largest number of "man tracks" are forms of elongate, metatarsal dinosaur tracks, made by bipedal dinosaurs that sometimes impressed their metatarsi (heels and soles) as they walked. When the digit impressions of such tracks are subdued by mud-backflow or secondary infilling, a somewhat human shape often results.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/paluxy.html

Then along came Mr. Kuban, a computer programmer from Brunswick, Ohio, who majored in biology in college and has become an experienced student of dinosaur tracks. In 1980 he began to re-examine the Paluxy tracks in question, finding some faint impressions of toes that had gone largely unnoticed.

Two summers ago, pursuing the investigation, Mr. Kuban said he found evidence that ''practically jumped out at you.'' Ronnie J. Hastings, a high school science teacher from Waxahachie, Tex., made a similar discovery at about the same time. Almost every one of the alleged human tracks, they found, was accompanied by distinct colorations in the rock that, upon detailed analysis, revealed the pattern of dinosaurian digits.

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/06/17/scie ... urian.html

GRACE THROUGH FAITH! Where is your faith and what is it in? It is interesting that you mention 1980 ---- many tracks have been discovered since and the consensus is that these are clearly human in nature. It seems odd to me that colorations in the rock always accompany the "dinosaurian" digits. Almost as if they were added later to perhaps cloud the truth?!?!? It would seem hard to believe but then there are high stakes involved for evolutionists...
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LittleNipper wrote:GRACE THROUGH FAITH! Where is your faith and what is it in?

So then faith is a choice and choice is a work, however small. Where's your calculus?

LittleNipper wrote:It is interesting that you mention 1980 ---- many tracks have been discovered since and the consensus is that these are clearly human in nature. It seems odd to me that colorations in the rock always accompany the "dinosaurian" digits. Almost as if they were added later to perhaps cloud the truth?!?!? It would seem hard to believe but then there are high stakes involved for evolutionists...

Oh I'm behind the times. :lol:
Whose consensus would that be? The fact that there are people who believe they are human does not make them human. I don't really expect you to change your position based upon our exchange Nipper. I've been to the flat earther site and if you can't persuade someone there with the amount of data that exists to the contrary, it's not going to work in any subject less obvious than that of a globular earth. It's a wonder to me that there exist otherwise intelligent people in the world who believe strange things. Science denialism is an area of psychology that is fascinating to me. Conspiracy theories, bad philosophy, motivated belief, indoctrination - have at it. It's cheap entertainment for the rest of us.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:GRACE THROUGH FAITH! Where is your faith and what is it in?

So then faith is a choice and choice is a work, however small. Where's your calculus?

LittleNipper wrote:It is interesting that you mention 1980 ---- many tracks have been discovered since and the consensus is that these are clearly human in nature. It seems odd to me that colorations in the rock always accompany the "dinosaurian" digits. Almost as if they were added later to perhaps cloud the truth?!?!? It would seem hard to believe but then there are high stakes involved for evolutionists...

Oh I'm behind the times. :lol:
Whose consensus would that be? The fact that there are people who believe they are human does not make them human. I don't really expect you to change your position based upon our exchange Nipper. I've been to the flat earther site and if you can't persuade someone there with the amount of data that exists to the contrary, it's not going to work in any subject less obvious than that of a globular earth. It's a wonder to me that there exist otherwise intelligent people in the world who believe strange things. Science denialism is an area of psychology that is fascinating to me. Conspiracy theories, bad philosophy, motivated belief, indoctrination - have at it. It's cheap entertainment for the rest of us.

Faith is dependency. And the Bible clearly states that even FAITH is a gift of GOD. If you have no faith, you cannot be a Christian because you do not rest on Christ for you salvation. And it would seem that you don't even regard salvation at all. As for the earth being flat, I have a hard time proving to atheists that the earth is expressed in the Bible as a sort of circle hanging on nothing. Again, very profound for a bunch of shepherds to come up with. And the Hebrews had no specific word for sphere. The Hebrew word khûg is translated ‘circle’ having the meaning of the great circles on the globe or a sphere.
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LittleNipper wrote:Faith is dependency. And the Bible clearly states that even FAITH is a gift of GOD.

So now that which is required is a gift from god. So then I am not responsible in any manner for not having it then. :lol:

If you have no faith, you cannot be a Christian because you do not rest on Christ for you salvation.

But that's not my fault because it's no my doing. I have not been given the gift. It's now god's fault that I don't have faith.


And it would seem that you don't even regard salvation at all.

Oh my my. How can I? I haven't been given the gift from god. Blame him not me.

As for the earth being flat, I have a hard time proving to atheists that the earth is expressed in the Bible as a sort of circle hanging on nothing. Again, very profound for a bunch of shepherds to come up with. And the Hebrews had no specific word for sphere. The Hebrew word khûg is translated ‘circle’ having the meaning of the great circles on the globe or a sphere.

You misunderstood the point of my reference to flat earthers completely. What can be salvaged here? The lack of a word for a sphere is all you need to acknowledge to show that your imaginary stretch is just that, imaginary. If they had the concept of a spherical earth they'd have created a word for it. The fact that they didn't is a pretty strong indicator that the concept didn't even exist.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:Faith is dependency. And the Bible clearly states that even FAITH is a gift of GOD.

So now that which is required is a gift from god. So then I am not responsible in any manner for not having it then. :lol:

If you have no faith, you cannot be a Christian because you do not rest on Christ for you salvation.

But that's not my fault because it's no my doing. I have not been given the gift. It's now god's fault that I don't have faith.


And it would seem that you don't even regard salvation at all.

Oh my my. How can I? I haven't been given the gift from god. Blame him not me.

As for the earth being flat, I have a hard time proving to atheists that the earth is expressed in the Bible as a sort of circle hanging on nothing. Again, very profound for a bunch of shepherds to come up with. And the Hebrews had no specific word for sphere. The Hebrew word khûg is translated ‘circle’ having the meaning of the great circles on the globe or a sphere.

You misunderstood the point of my reference to flat earthers completely. What can be salvaged here? The lack of a word for a sphere is all you need to acknowledge to show that your imaginary stretch is just that, imaginary. If they had the concept of a spherical earth they'd have created a word for it. The fact that they didn't is a pretty strong indicator that the concept didn't even exist.

The Hebrew word they uses means more than a mere flat circle --- as explained. People who want to remain true to their own opinions will do just that. People believing in a flat earth are no more Biblical than a man like yourself believing that nature put us here. Neither is either logical not provable.
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LittleNipper wrote:The Hebrew word they uses means more than a mere flat circle --- as explained. People who want to remain true to their own opinions will do just that.

Irony meter just broke.
People believing in a flat earth are no more Biblical than a man like yourself believing that nature put us here.

There are numerous passages in the Bible that can only be interpreted in flat earth terms. There are very few that can be made to appear to relate to a spherical earth by strained arguments.

Speaking of being put here, who put Opium and Cannabis here?

Neither is either logical nor provable.

I would not be making comments about what is not provable nor logical when you represent the position without any supporting evidence and touting illogical talking animals.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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spotlight wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:The Hebrew word they uses means more than a mere flat circle --- as explained. People who want to remain true to their own opinions will do just that.

Irony meter just broke.
People believing in a flat earth are no more Biblical than a man like yourself believing that nature put us here.

There are numerous passages in the Bible that can only be interpreted in flat earth terms. There are very few that can be made to appear to relate to a spherical earth by strained arguments.

Speaking of being put here, who put Opium and Cannabis here?

Neither is either logical nor provable.

I would not be making comments about what is not provable nor logical when you represent the position without any supporting evidence and touting illogical talking animals.

The Bible must be interpreted on its whole and not manipulated per verse. All verses must be interpreted in light of each other. So if some verses elude to a spherical planet, then circles and four corners must also be interpreted in that light of understanding as a sphere is an additional complexity that cannot be explained away.
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LittleNipper wrote:The Bible must be interpreted on its whole and not manipulated per verse.

This is referred to as begging the question. Google it my friend. :rolleyes:

All verses must be interpreted in light of each other.

And I could arbitrarily place within a single bound volume disparate works by various authors and assert that they are all related and must be interpreted in such a manner that a coherent consistent message runs throughout. That might even be possible but it would not prove that that was the intent on the part of each individual author. An example of this occurs within the LDS church where the gospel taught by Brigham Young is different from that which is taught today. The TBM will deny this is the case because they have to maintain the false narrative in their mind that the church is the same over time.

So if some verses elude to a spherical planet, then circles and four corners must also be interpreted in that light of understanding as a sphere is an additional complexity that cannot be explained away.

Yeah no - except for some very telling scriptures where this absolutely fails. Satan tempts Jesus by placing him high up so that he can see all the kingdoms of the world. Not possible on a spherical planet. Stars cannot fall to earth from the heavens. Here you are clearly just making stuff up to save the idea that the Bible is a whole which it is not.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
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