Testimony of Micah Wilder

[_spotlight]

No maybe.

Agreement!
Continue your tilting against the windmills Nipper. We agree that you and those who wrote the Bible did the same. We only disagree now about the true nature of those windmills.

[_LittleNipper]

No maybe.

Agreement!
Continue your tilting against the windmills Nipper. We agree that you and those who wrote the Bible did the same. We only disagree now about the true nature of those windmills.

Even windmills pump water and grind grain.

[_spotlight]

You justify your position on the Bible, i.e. it's not your assertion but the Bible's. I point out that it was written by someone like yourself. You agree with "no maybe."
Am I missing something here?
It is still just an assertion Nipper. Now go ahead and assert that a spirit exists and assert that you (both you individually and the other somebodys like yourself who wrote portions of the Bible) were under the influence of Casper. ( , not)

[_LittleNipper]

You justify your position on the Bible, i.e. it's not your assertion but the Bible's. I point out that it was written by someone like yourself. You agree with "no maybe."
Am I missing something here?
It is still just an assertion Nipper. Now go ahead and assert that a spirit exists and assert that you (both you individually and the other somebodys like yourself who wrote portions of the Bible) were under the influence of Casper. ( , not)

The Holy Spirit must be a very wonderful being compared to all those who wrote/write secular dissertations... I've never read anything more profound written by any scientist.

I Corinthians 13 Complete Jewish Bible

1 I may speak in the tongues of men, even angels;
but if I lack love, I have become merely
blaring brass or a cymbal clanging.

2 I may have the gift of prophecy,
I may fathom all mysteries, know all things,
have all faith — enough to move mountains;
but if I lack love, I am nothing.

3 I may give away everything that I own,
I may even hand over my body to be burned;
but if I lack love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient and kind, not jealous, not boastful,
5 not proud, rude or selfish, not easily angered,
and it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not gloat over other people’s sins
but takes its delight in the truth.
7 Love always bears up, always trusts,
always hopes, always endures.

8 Love never ends; but prophecies will pass,
tongues will cease, knowledge will pass.
9 For our knowledge is partial, and our prophecy partial;
10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass.

11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child,
thought like a child, argued like a child;
now that I have become a man,
I have finished with childish ways.

12 For now we see obscurely in a mirror,
but then it will be face to face.
Now I know partly; then I will know fully,
just as God has fully known me.

13 But for now, three things last —
trust, hope, love;
and the greatest of these is love.

[_Maksutov]

Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool.

[_huckelberry]

Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool.

I am not inclined to give Augustine a clear pass but really? He stole some pears from an orchard and lived with a woman he was not officially married to for some years. I do not think that disqualifies him from thinking about what good and evil are.

I have heard complaints that Paul says little about Jesus. What would be all the Jesus story he made up? Paul is one of the strongest Biblical voices for people using their judgement to decide which actions are helpful and increase love. He has little interest in making up rules for people. You fault him for that?

[_Maksutov]

Some pretty words attributed to Paul. Some of the best in the New Testament, I grant you. Just like some pretty poetry was in the Book of Mormon ("Man is that he might have joy." ). But quoting Paul on Jesus is totally backing fantasy. Paul never met Jesus and made up everything he ever said about him. Made it up, just like Joseph Smith made up all of his stories. Your Jesus is Paul's invention. Your Christianity is actually Paulism. Paul was a guy who got busted being bad and then decided to decide what was good for everybody else. Like that twofaced Augustine who lived it up like a wildman and then went straight and got preachy about it. What a hypocritical dishonest tool.

I am not inclined to give Augustine a clear pass but really? He stole some pears from an orchard and lived with a woman he was not officially married to for some years. I do not think that disqualifies him from thinking about what good and evil are.

I have heard complaints that Paul says little about Jesus. What would be all the Jesus story he made up? Paul is one of the strongest Biblical voices for people using their judgement to decide which actions are helpful and increase love. He has little interest in making up rules for people. You fault him for that?

I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Augustine was the wonderful dude who taught that "between urine and feces we are born". Mentally unhealthy, even for the times. Maybe you'd prefer Origen, who cut his junk off for Jesus, or Cyrus, who murdered Hypatia for Jesus. I can keep going for centuries here. Christianity is still creating victims. Look at the headlines re: the Catholic Church. Nobody loved Paul more than them. Look at the monsters everyday in the Facebook group, "Clergy arrested"--men of God, followers of Christ and criminals.

So, yeah, Huck, I'm faulting these dudes. There's a reason people are leaving them. It's because people are finally looking beyond the words at the actions, at the history. And it ain't pretty.

[_huckelberry]

I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Muksukov, I know plenty of negatives in Christian history. I am not going to blame you for mistrusting and rejecting it because of them. I have done the same in the past. Because I have reconsidered a few times does not require you to agree. I would choose other points of indictment but I bet you can think of more your self.

The role of Paul in creating the Christ is disputed. I do not agree with you on that matter but it is complicated with authorities who disagree.

[_Maksutov]

I notice that you're still avoiding the fact that it was from Paul's imagination. Try subtracting Paul from the New Testament as Thomas Jefferson did. If you want to be a Paulist, be one. But don't pretend that you're on about Jesus. You're talking about the Christ, Paul's invention. Christians get their history backwards, just like Mormons.

Muksukov, I know plenty of negatives in Christian history. I am not going to blame you for mistrusting and rejecting it because of them. I have done the same in the past. Because I have reconsidered a few times does not require you to agree. I would choose other points of indictment but I bet you can think of more your self.

The role of Paul in creating the Christ is disputed. I do not agree with you on that matter but it is complicated with authorities who disagree.

And how many of Paul's letters are forgeries?

[_huckelberry]

And how many of Paul's letters are forgeries?

Followers of Paul likely wrote first and second Timothy and Titus. Ephesians and Colossians were possibly written by followers of Paul.