Trump is Lawless on the Border

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_cinepro
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Re: Trump is Lawless on the Border

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It is obviously terrible to have kids put in that kind of situation, so I'm angry at those who put them in that situation.

The asylum issue is interesting. I recently listened to a podcast that described a crackdown (under Obama) on "Asylum mills" in New York where lawyers falsified stories for asylum claims for thousands of immigrants.

Immigration officials are moving against these immigrants in a sweeping review that federal authorities say is related to a 2012 investigation into asylum mills. During that probe, federal prosecutors in New York rounded up 30 immigration lawyers, paralegals and interpreters who had helped immigrants fraudulently obtain asylum in Manhattan's Chinatown and in Flushing, Queens. The case was dubbed Operation Fiction Writer.

The federal government says the people convicted during Operation Fiction Writer had helped more than 3,500 immigrants, most of them Chinese, win asylum. Authorities accused them of dumping boilerplate language in stories of persecution, coaching clients to memorize and recite fictitious details to asylum officers, and fabricating documents to buttress the fake asylum claims.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2018 ... ls-clients




It's not a surprise that a system that was set up for compassion has been abused, but after seeing the problems that can accompany asylum claims, I think a lot of people have a simplistic view of the process. It's about as deep as Michael Scott's understanding of bankruptcy. I just imagine people walking up to the border and yelling "I declare... ASYLUM!" and thinking that's it.
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I'm angry at those who put them in that situation


Good thing you have your priorities in order. :confused:

It never ceases to astound me how Right Wingers have become so terrified of a non-threat.

No, this remak doesn't make me "open borders."

But let's be damned real for once.

"We're experiencing a net outflow of illegal, undocumented workers from America back to Mexico."

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Thank god our full-on frothing-at-the-mouth poster, known as KG, is part of the 'safe crowd' and doesn't raise nary a hackle from the more 'respectable' posters on this board.

Funny how that works.

He's a demonstrable hypocrite and bellows at everyone else because the cognitive dissonance bouncing around the echo chamber known as his head is too loud to quell.

This is what is Leftist ideology does to you, folks. It makes you crazy.

- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Thank god our full-on frothing-at-the-mouth poster, known as Kevin Graham, is part of the 'safe crowd' and doesn't raise nary a hackle from the more 'respectable' posters on this board.

Funny how that works.

He's a demonstrable hypocrite and bellows at everyone else because the cognitive dissonance bouncing around the echo chamber known as his head is too loud to quell.

This is what is Leftist ideology does to you, folks. It makes you crazy.

- Doc


Yes, yes we all know the Doc spiel.

"Hypocrite... something something... hypocrite... something... hypocrisy...something...something...hypocrite."

Meanwhile, you're the same piece of crap calling migrant children "invaders."
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Yes yes, the guy who employs illegals over Americans, and doesn't insure them expecting the taxpayer to pick up the tab because *reasons*. Totally not racist and totally not irresponsible and greedy like those capitalists you like to complain about.

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Kevin what do you think the US response should be for nearly 5K people trying to cross the border at one time?

What should be happening?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Yes yes, the guy who employs illegals over Americans, and doesn't insure them expecting the taxpayer to pick up the tab because *reasons*. Totally not racist and totally not irresponsible and greedy like those capitalists you like to complain about.

- Doc


I employ the best workers, period. Moron.

I suspect some are illegal but it isn't like you go around asking for people's papers when you hire them. That would be racist. And I am a capitalist. I'm sorry if that's just another word too big for you to understand.

I suggest you step back and consider finding your humanity again.

Something Geraldo Rivera just did that will probably cost him his job at FOX.

https://Twitter.com/jiveDurkey/status/1 ... 1786767365
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Jersey Girl wrote:Kevin what do you think the US response should be for nearly 5K people trying to cross the border at one time?

What should be happening?


That's of course a key question. I can understand being frustrated (and disgusted) with Trump's ideas about everything, but in this situation, what did anyone think was going to happen? If Obama was still President, or Sanders had won and was President, what would they do? Sure, they might be nicer and more compassionate about how they wouldn't let them in, but in the end, is anyone going to just open the gates and let them in?

And for those who instantly protest "that's not what we're suggesting!", what are you suggesting? How do you want US Border agents to react when faced with people trying to force their way into the country?
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Kevin I've asked what I believe to be 2 reasonable questions here. You have yet to come up with answers. If all you want to do is name call and bash the Trump administration, then how about making that clear.

You don't like what is happening. And yet, you have no suggestions for what you think should be happening.

Why did you start this topic?
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cinepro wrote:
That's of course a key question. I can understand being frustrated (and disgusted) with Trump's ideas about everything, but in this situation, what did anyone think was going to happen? If Obama was still President, or Sanders had won and was President, what would they do?


Same thing they always did before. Not break the law.

Is this too much to ask?

Sure, they might be nicer and more compassionate about how they wouldn't let them in, but in the end, is anyone going to just open the gates and let them in?


They would hear their case and they would be processed accordingly. That's their right. Whether they win or lose their fight is irrelevant to the fact that the Trump administration is acting illegally while moaning about how these people are dangerous criminals who are breaking the law. No they're not, and lying about them is just adding insult to injury.

How do you want US Border agents to react when faced with people trying to force their way into the country?


This isn't about the tear gas, this is about shutting down the border entirely. Most of the migrants arrived Nov 11th and have been waiting patiently in Tijuana for more than two weeks so they could cross to apply for asylum, which is their legal right.

From the link above:

Meza and thousands of other migrants had traveled through Central America and Mexico with a caravan that originated in Honduras in mid-October 2018. Since arriving in Tijuana, the migrants had been housed inside a makeshift refugee encampment at Benito Juarez Stadium near the U.S.-Mexico border. Most were in a state of limbo as they awaited their chance to plead their asylum cases before U.S. immigration authorities.


And I'm sick and tired of idiots like subs and Doc who continue to propagate these dumb "hoax" theories and complaining about the Leftist media using the migrants. Want to see what fake news really looks like on this issue? Here is FOX news showing a video of migrants climbing into a TRUCK while telling their viewers this is them trying to climb the border wall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHTmYh-p9w

In fact, if anyone was covering the caravan for political gain it was most certainly FOX News. Right after the midterms they suddenly dropped the subject.

MSNBC's First Look highlights how Fox News exploited the migrant caravan in the lead-up to the midterms, then immediately forgot about it
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