Anastasia Ocasio-Cortez

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
I think he's insinuating that spending $300k on an undergrad degree in Economics is probably not a great investment, especially when you tout you graduated from BU and went to work in a taqueria. Granted, she's been elected to Congress and will be able to parlay her success into some book deals, speaking engagements, and whatever else so, in her case, she's probably figured out the economics of government service at the federal level.

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He's saying that someone with a degree in economics should be held to a higher standard for quality of economic argumentation and therefore I should be more up and arms about it. Congresspeople are yahoos as a matter of routine. There's something broken about our system where we have the deepest pool of intellectual talent on the planet and yet we elect the people we do as leaders. While I have my brickbats, I tend not to get all crazy about individual instances of it until I see it as impactful or its within my representative line. You'll exhaust yourself daily if you try to keep track of every member of Congress saying something not well-considered. Right now Cortez is a right-wing media boogeyman and I have no desire to join that chorus.
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subgenius wrote:Which means her having a shallow understanding of economics is worthy of being up in arms and not worthy of getting the "pass" EAllusion would like to give her...likely only being given because she is young, or brown, or a woman.....or a Democrat.


Correction: Subgenius apparently was also inserting his identity politics into the subtext his statement.
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EAllusion wrote:Right now Cortez is a right-wing media boogeyman and I have no desire to join that chorus.


I'm sure her comments about unemployment and whatever else didn't help her cause. I don't really care. If the people of her district want to send her to represent them that's their business. If she wants to tackle national issues then it becomes our business. I'm less concerned about her than I am about the White Male Cisgendered Mormon Senator from my state that seems to want to aid Mr. Trump's campaign against Mueller.

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Bach wrote:Does anyone here support her, her agenda and, more importantly - her cerebral capacity?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaret ... -1.6695049

REALLY! The plight of Jewish extinguishment and those entering our country illegally.

Seriously, anyone from the UOI graduate school here want to speak up for her accomplished ability?

Is this naïve lady now the superstar of liberals?

Kevin, EAllusion?



The cited piece reads:

U.S. authorities shut the country's busiest border crossing and fired tear gas into Mexico on Sunday to repel Central American migrants approaching the border after U.S. President Donald Trump vowed the asylum-seekers would not easily enter the country.

Traffic in both directions was suspended for several hours at the San Ysidro port of entry between San Diego and Tijuana, U.S. officials said, disrupting trade at the most heavily trafficked land border in the Western Hemisphere. Pedestrian crossings and vehicle traffic later resumed, officials said.

Congresswoman-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez immediately slammed the move on Twitter. Ocasio-Cortez wrote, "Asking to be considered a refugee & applying for status isn’t a crime. It wasn’t for Jewish families fleeing Germany. It wasn’t for targeted families fleeing Rwanda. It wasn’t for communities fleeing war-torn Syria. And it isn’t for those fleeing violence in Central America."

Both the conservative online website the Daily Caller and Russia's state funded news agency RT covered Ocasio-Cortez's tweet as comparing the migrant caravan to "Jews fleeing the Holocaust."
Former Trump adviser Sebastian Gorka slammed Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter, "Your comparison @Ocasio2018 is disgraceful. There is no genocide occurring South of our border targeting millions for death or shipping whole families to labor camps for extermination. You truly are an insult to intelligent and empathic humans everywhere."


Much of the comment on the comparison drawn by Ocasio-Cortez shows historical illiteracy about the circumstances in which large numbers of Jewish refugees sought to leave Germany for other countries as a result of Nazi persecution in the 1930s.

The Jews seeking to leave Germany during the later 1930s were not 'fleeing the holocaust', because the Nazi policy of the physical extermination of the Jews of Europe was not launched until some way into World War II (1939-45), beginning on a significant scale with the killing of Jews who came under German control as the Nazis advanced into Russia, and being formally enunciated at the 1942 Wannsee conference. By the time that this policy began to operate, hardly any Jews had a chance to leave Nazi control and 'flee the holocaust'.

From the time the Nazis took power in 1933, Jews in Germany came under increasing pressure from policies of intimidation, social and employment exclusion, and the expropriation of property. That's why some of them sought to leave, and the Nazis, on the whole, wanted them to leave. And if you had told the majority of German Jews in this period that the Nazis would end up trying to kill them all, they would have told you that you were crazy. The Nazis were horrible, but in the end (many Jews thought) Germany was basically a civilised country, where their families had lived and often prospered for generations, and the Nazi storm would pass. (I know families who recount the fate of relatives who thought that way: "It was always too early, until it was too late".)

The problem was that other countries, including the US, were reluctant to accept them ... for reasons in many ways similar to those we hear today in connection with other people who seek to enter the US.

Jews seeking refuge in the US were described as likely to live on welfare, take jobs away from Americans, and part of a conspiracy to take over the world. 83% of Americans opposed accepting them. Not surprising, said Hitler, because they were 'criminals'. (Now, where else have we heard such language?)

In fact, it is not at all clear that the comparison drawn by Ocasio-Cortez is as out of place as some of her critics suggest.

Facing History and Ourselves.

This refugee crisis created a dilemma for many nations, including the United States. How would they respond to the refugees’ plight? Would they welcome refugees or refuse them admission?

In July 1938, delegates from 32 nations met in Evian, France, to discuss how to respond to the refugee crisis. Each representative expressed regret about the current troubles of refugees, but most said that they were unable to increase their country’s immigration quotas, citing the worldwide economic depression. The representatives spoke in general terms, not about people but about “numbers” and “quotas.”

In the end, only one country, the Dominican Republic, officially agreed to accept refugees from Europe. (Dictator Rafael Trujillo, influenced by the international eugenics movement, believed that Jews would improve the “racial qualities” of the Dominican population.) Throughout the 1930s, other countries, including Bolivia and Switzerland, as well as the Shanghai International Settlement and the British protectorate of Palestine, admitted Jewish refugees. Still, the number of refugees far exceed the opportunities, both legal and illegal, to emigrate. After the Evian conference, Hitler is said to have concluded, “Nobody wants these criminals.”

Like most other countries, the United States did not welcome Jewish refugees from Europe. In 1939, 83% of Americans were opposed to the admission of refugees. In the midst of the Great Depression, many feared the burden that immigrants could place on the nation’s economy; refugees, who in most cases were prevented from bringing any money or assets with them, were an even greater cause for concern. Indeed, as early as 1930, President Herbert Hoover reinterpreted immigration legislation barring those “likely to become a public charge” to include even those immigrants who were capable of working, reasoning that high unemployment would make it impossible for immigrants to find jobs.

While economic concerns certainly played a role in Americans’ attitudes toward immigration, so too did feelings of fear, mistrust, and even hatred of those who were different. Immigration policies were shaped by fears of communist infiltrators and Nazi spies. Antisemitism also played an important role in public opinion. It was propagated by leaders like Father Charles Coughlin, known as “the radio priest,” who was the first to offer Catholic religious services over the radio and reached millions of people with each broadcast. In addition to his religious message, Coughlin preached antisemitism, accusing the Jews of manipulating financial institutions and conspiring to control the world. Industrialist Henry Ford was another prominent voice spreading antisemitism.
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Chap wrote:In fact, it is not at all clear that the comparison drawn by Ocasio-Cortez is as out of place as some of her critics suggest.

well, it is not a fact, but it is clear that her comment is out of place except as it is par for the course with modern democratic party tactics - whereas emotion Trump's reason.

and i was unable to find the part where the US had a policy which states that seeking asylum is a crime, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is claiming.
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In fact, it is not at all clear that the comparison drawn by Ocasio-Cortez is as out of place as some of her critics suggest.
Perhaps as importantly, comparing the Trump admin's policy of curtailing and pushing back against would be refugees from dangerous circumstances, starting with its efforts to shut down refugees from Syria, has extensively been compared to the US's shameful period of turning back Jewish refugees in the 1930's. This isn't some idea that was come up by Ocasio-Cortez or a small group of hardcore leftists. It's a common criticism that she's citing. She's just a magnet for press attention.
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subgenius wrote:and i was unable to find the part where the US had a policy which states that seeking asylum is a crime, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is claiming.


Asylum seekers are being treated as criminals.
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EAllusion wrote:
subgenius wrote:and i was unable to find the part where the US had a policy which states that seeking asylum is a crime, as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is claiming.


Asylum seekers are being treated as criminals.


You do realize when you type things like that you're just the Leftist side of the same crazy coin, don't you?

Don't answer. I already know what's coming if you do.

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
You do realize when you type things like that you're just the Leftist side of the same crazy coin, don't you?

Don't answer. I already know what's coming if you do.

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https://www.texastribune.org/2018/10/02/why-did-trump-administration-separate-asylum-seekers-their-kids/

Asylum seekers had their children stripped from them and thrown in internment camps. So, worse than criminals, maybe?
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Repeatedly calling basic decency that was shared across the political spectrum until recently "leftism" as a pejorative is definitely something that a real liberal who is a staunch Democrat would do.
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