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[_Kevin Graham]

CNN's Van Jones: "This is heartbreaking, though. This is heartbreaking...it's not a blue wave."

The quote in context: “Well, first of all, there are still people standing in line in Georgia. There’s still people standing in line in Florida. This is not over. People need to stay out there and continue to fight. This is heartbreaking, though. This is heartbreaking,” Jones said.

But you're stupid enough to believe this proves a "prediction" for a blue wave. Either you're too stupid to understand context or you willfully lied here. Which is it? The remark was made on election night well before the full results and the extent of the wave were understood.

"Bernie Sanders rejects 'blue wave' prediction, says midterms will be 'very, very close'"

This quote exists only on a few Right Wing outlets and they're not quoting anyone who is predicting a blue wave. Quite the contrary actually. Did you already forget what it is you're supposed to prove? You just refuted yourself here.

"A trove of new polling shows the once-formidable lead Democrats had in the generic congressional ballot is nearly gone."

This is the headliner for an article at the Federalist, another Right Wing rag. From back in April! Nowhere in the article does it quote a Democrat predicting a Blue Wave.

So again, produce an example of Democrats predicting a blue wave. So far as you have proved is that I was right on both counts. Including the fact that you get all your information about what Democrats think and say from Right Wing outlets.

[_ajax18]

We are living in a time of far more political divide. The ways that people receive and digest information has changed.

Do you remember any conservative media at all during that time?

[_EAllusion]

First, and most importantly, arguing over the semantics of whether an election victory counts as a "wave" when there is no mutually agreed upon standard of what constitutes a wave is so god damn dumb and pointless. Democrats won by a lot in absolute terms and when you take into account historical context. That's it. Second, Democratic leaders weren't generally predicting a "wave" in public because they think it is important to massage expectations so people go out and vote and so people don't feel crushed if it doesn't materialize.

One of the weird cultural quirks in politics right now is conservatives tend to be irrationally confident about their prospects and Democrats tend to be irrationally pessimistic. Messaging tends to reflect this.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

First, and most importantly, arguing over the semantics of whether an election victory counts as a "wave" when there is no mutually agreed upon standard of what constitutes a wave is so god damn dumb and pointless. Democrats won by a lot in absolute terms and when you take into account historical context. That's it. Second, Democratic leaders weren't generally predicting a "wave" in public because they think it is important to massage expectations so people go out and vote and so people don't feel crushed if it doesn't materialize.

One of the weird cultural quirks in politics right now is conservatives tend to be irrationally confident about their prospects and Democrats tend to be irrationally pessimistic. Messaging tends to reflect this.

I know, right?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/opinions ... index.html

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

First, and most importantly, arguing over the semantics of whether an election victory counts as a "wave" when there is no mutually agreed upon standard of what constitutes a wave is so god damn dumb and pointless. Democrats won by a lot in absolute terms and when you take into account historical context. That's it. Second, Democratic leaders weren't generally predicting a "wave" in public because they think it is important to massage expectations so people go out and vote and so people don't feel crushed if it doesn't materialize.

One of the weird cultural quirks in politics right now is conservatives tend to be irrationally confident about their prospects and Democrats tend to be irrationally pessimistic. Messaging tends to reflect this.

I know, right?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/27/opinions ... index.html

- Doc

This isn't 1) arguing the semantics of what a "wave" is or 2) predicting a wave before the election. It's just saying the Democrats won a large election victory, then making a series of lame talking points meant to defend Nancy Pelosi's speakership under the guise of explaining the election. What are you trying to say here? My guess is something like, "This Democrat used the word "wave" to describe the Democrat's victory. Haha. Gotcha EAllusion. I'm not sure you read my post correctly if that's what you are saying. I'm sure you can find some Democrats arguing over the semantics of the word "wave" with folks like Subs who are solely interested in saying "No wave" based on the arbitrarily loose meaning of the word. There's no shortage of that, as I've read it myself. Quote that instead.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Ugh. I hate it when people read words!

“Democrats will carry the House. If we have a bigger victory, the Senate, governorships,” she said. “It’s going to be a great night for America.”

Pelosi has long predicted victory on Nov. 6, despite recent warnings that the party may be overconfident.

“People ask me all over the country, ‘Is it a wave, or is it a tsunami?’” Pelosi said earlier this month, referring to her “blue wave” predictions. “... I don’t know how much water would be involved, but we would win the majority. Wave or tsunami, we’ll see.”

- Doc

[_Kevin Graham]

Hey Subs, since you like mocking failed predictions that were never made by people you cannot name, why not spend a little time mocking these documented predictions from some of your favorite sources?


Town Hall:

"So, here’s my prediction: Control of the House will be tightly contested, with the GOP more than likely to hang on."

From FOX News:

"President Trump predicted Tuesday night that Republicans 'will keep the House majority' after November's midterm elections"

From Infowars:

"Mike Pence: Republicans Will Keep The House"

Daily Caller contributor H. A. Goodman on Youtube:

"Republicans will keep the House and make gains in the Senate."

From the American Conservative:

"There will not be a Blue Wave. The Democrats’ goal in the Senate has diminished to limiting losses, not gaining seats, and they are unlikely to take control of the House." -

On FOX News:

Ed Rollins: There Will Be No Blue Wave, Republicans Will Hold The House And Senate

Fox News guy Peter Roff:

"The Democrats will pick up seats in the House and almost just as assuredly lose them in the U.S. Senate. The number of governorships held by each party won’t change all that dramatically nor will the control of most state legislative chambers. "

Michael Flanagan from Newsmax:

"With the help of the hapless D leadership, the Relief Society are primed for growing the Senate majority and keeping the House."

Dr. Steve Turley on Youtube rant:

"Here's why the media have not just stopped talking about a Blue Wave but actually believe the GOP can hold the House!!! "

Dan Palmer, Republican donor and conservative political strategist from The Hill:

"There is no blue wave in California...With the clarity that only election results can produce, only one district in California appears like a possible flip. Even that is far from certain. The much vaunted rising blue wave of voters assembling to sweep the Democrats to victory in November turned out to be a blue mirage. If the path to winning the next majority runs through these 10 districts in California, it looks like the Republicans will hold the House, and the Democrats will be wandering in the political desert for another cycle."

The Daily Caller:

"Just a few months ago Democrats envisioned a 'Blue Wave,' gaining 40-50 seats. Today their expectation have been tempered – and for good reason. Since 1946, Democrats have gained an average of 21 seats in the midterms when the president is a Republican. That gain would not be enough for a majority, where the Democrats need to gain 25 seats."

And my personal favorite: Subgenius mocking the idea that last year's wins were a sign for things to come. viewtopic.php?f=5&t=47058

[_EAllusion]

Ugh. I hate it when people read words!

I can tell.

[_Brackite]

Nope it still was not a #bluewave, especially as was predicted...Democrats lost seats in Senate and their gains in state legislative chambers were below the historical average.

The Senate map was not favorable to the Senate Democrats this election cycle. While the Democrats were able to pick up two Senate seats, three of the four incumbent Democratic Senators that lost were from States that Trump won by double digits. And Governor Rick Scott was able to barely defeat Senator Nelson mainly by Florida’s good economy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/06/politics ... index.html

Latest House results confirm 2018 wasn't a blue wave. It was a blue tsunami.

40 net seats in this mid-term. Not bad!

- Doc