spotlight wrote:LittleNipper wrote:The entire OLD TESTAMENT existed before Jesus was born. That is the vast majority of the Bible. Jesus at 12 read from that Temple canon.
Oh, so all of the New Testament understanding of the gospel already existed in the Old Testament? Sounds like Mormon theology to me.
Case in point: Isaiah 53 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 Who believes our report?
To whom is the arm of Adonai revealed?
2 For before him he grew up like a young plant,
like a root out of dry ground.
He was not well-formed or especially handsome;
we saw him, but his appearance did not attract us.
3 People despised and avoided him,
a man of pains, well acquainted with illness.
Like someone from whom people turn their faces,
he was despised; we did not value him.
4 In fact, it was our diseases he bore,
our pains from which he suffered;
yet we regarded him as punished,
stricken and afflicted by God.
5 But he was wounded because of our crimes,
crushed because of our sins;
the disciplining that makes us whole fell on him,
and by his bruises* we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, went astray;
we turned, each one, to his own way;
yet Adonai laid on him
the guilt of all of us.
7 Though mistreated, he was submissive —
he did not open his mouth.
Like a lamb led to be slaughtered,
like a sheep silent before its shearers,
he did not open his mouth.
8 After forcible arrest and sentencing,
he was taken away;
and none of his generation protested
his being cut off from the land of the living
for the crimes of my people,
who deserved the punishment themselves.
9 He was given a grave among the wicked;
in his death he was with a rich man.
Although he had done no violence
and had said nothing deceptive,
10 yet it pleased Adonai to crush him with illness,
to see if he would present himself as a guilt offering.
If he does, he will see his offspring;
and he will prolong his days;
and at his hand Adonai’s desire
will be accomplished.
11 After this ordeal, he will see satisfaction.
“By his knowing [pain and sacrifice],
my righteous servant makes many righteous;
it is for their sins that he suffers.
12 Therefore I will assign him a share with the great,
he will divide the spoil with the mighty,
for having exposed himself to death
and being counted among the sinners,
while actually bearing the sin of many
and interceding for the offenders.”
Another case in point Psalm 22
Psalm 22 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
1 For the leader. Set to “Sunrise.” A psalm of David:
2 My God! My God!
Why have you abandoned me?
Why so far from helping me,
so far from my anguished cries?
3 My God, by day I call to you,
but you don’t answer;
likewise at night,
but I get no relief.
4 Nevertheless, you are holy,
enthroned on the praises of Isra’el.
5 In you our ancestors put their trust;
they trusted, and you rescued them.
6 They cried to you and escaped;
they trusted in you and were not disappointed.
7 But I am a worm, not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
8 All who see me jeer at me;
they sneer and shake their heads:
9 “He committed himself to Adonai,
so let him rescue him!
Let him set him free
if he takes such delight in him!”
10 But you are the one who took me from the womb,
you made me trust when I was on my mother’s breasts.
11 Since my birth I’ve been thrown on you;
you are my God from my mother’s womb.
12 Don’t stay far from me, for trouble is near;
and there is no one to help.
13 Many bulls surround me,
wild bulls of Bashan close in on me.
14 They open their mouths wide against me,
like ravening, roaring lions.
15 I am poured out like water;
all my bones are out of joint;
my heart has become like wax —
it melts inside me;
16 my mouth is as dry as a fragment of a pot,
my tongue sticks to my palate;
you lay me down in the dust of death.
17 Dogs are all around me,
a pack of villains closes in on me
like a lion [at] my hands and feet.[a]
18 I can count every one of my bones,
while they gaze at me and gloat.
19 They divide my garments among themselves;
for my clothing they throw dice.
20 But you, Adonai, don’t stay far away!
My strength, come quickly to help me!
21 Rescue me from the sword,
my life from the power of the dogs.
22 Save me from the lion’s mouth!
You have answered me from the wild bulls’ horns.
23 I will proclaim your name to my kinsmen;
right there in the assembly I will praise you:
24 “You who fear Adonai, praise him!
All descendants of Ya‘akov, glorify him!
All descendants of Isra’el, stand in awe of him!
25 For he has not despised or abhorred
the poverty of the poor;
he did not hide his face from him
but listened to his cry.”
26 Because of you
I give praise in the great assembly;
I will fulfill my vows
in the sight of those who fear him.
27 The poor will eat and be satisfied;
those who seek Adonai will praise him;
Your hearts will enjoy life forever.
28 All the ends of the earth
will remember and turn to Adonai;
all the clans of the nations
will worship in your presence.
29 For the kingdom belongs to Adonai,
and he rules the nations.
30 All who prosper on the earth
will eat and worship;
all who go down to the dust
will kneel before him,
including him who can’t keep himself alive,
31 A descendant will serve him;
the next generation will be told of Adonai.
32 They will come and proclaim
his righteousness
to a people yet unborn,
that he is the one who did it.