7 year old migrant dies while in custody

[_Jersey Girl]

According to the AP:

"The boy was was diagnosed with a cold and fever and given prescriptions for amoxicillin and Ibuprofen and released from a hospital Monday afternoon. He returned Monday evening with nausea and vomiting and died hours later."

This makes no sense to me. If he is diagnosed with the flu then antibiotics make it worse. A cold, or the flu, is a virus and a prescription for amoxicillin will only make things worse. You don't have to be a doctor to know this. At the very least it seems he was misdiagnosed with a bacterial infection and he had the flu, in which case he should have been put on anti-virals.

Your post isn't making much sense.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/26/us/cbp-t ... index.html

Over the next two days, Felipe and his father were provided with showers, food, juice, and water, and the agents logged 17 welfare checks.

Felipe and his father arrived at the Alamogordo Station. Upon arrival, they were provided with personal hygiene products and meals, and they received several welfare checks.

7 p.m.
Felipe appeared to be nauseous and vomited. Agents were aware of this and helped clean up the vomit. His father declined further medical assistance as the child had been feeling better.

10 p.m.
Felipe appeared lethargic and nauseous again.

Because no EMT was on duty, out of caution, agents made the decision to return Felipe and his father to Gerald Champion Regional Medical Center.

During transportation to the hospital, he began to vomit and lost consciousness.

11:07 p.m.
Radio traffic indicated that the agent had arrived at the medical center, where he was met by hospital staff.

It seems to me they received pretty good care. I wonder if they'll do an autopsy report to figure out what happened to the child...

- Doc

[_Bach]

According to the AP:

"The boy was was diagnosed with a cold and fever and given prescriptions for amoxicillin and Ibuprofen and released from a hospital Monday afternoon. He returned Monday evening with nausea and vomiting and died hours later."

This makes no sense to me. If he is diagnosed with the flu then antibiotics make it worse. A cold, or the flu, is a virus and a prescription for amoxicillin will only make things worse. You don't have to be a doctor to know this. At the very least it seems he was misdiagnosed with a bacterial infection and he had the flu, in which case he should have been put on anti-virals.

When and why should he ever have been exposed to such a cruel journey by any loving parent. Is it only ignorant and non-caring parents of any child that want a pass when a child dies from this stupidity? Kevin? Would you ever expose your children to this certainty?

[_Jersey Girl]

Let me show you why your post here makes no sense. I'll comment and bold or something. It feels like your thinking is all over the place. Prob not what you intended but that's how I read it.

According to the AP:

"The boy was was diagnosed with a cold and fever and given prescriptions for amoxicillin and Ibuprofen and released from a hospital Monday afternoon. He returned Monday evening with nausea and vomiting and died hours later."

Okay...

This makes no sense to me. If he is diagnosed with the flu then antibiotics make it worse.

Huh? You just said he was DX'd with a cold and fever.

A cold, or the flu, is a virus and a prescription for amoxicillin will only make things worse. You don't have to be a doctor to know this. At the very least it seems he was misdiagnosed with a bacterial infection and he had the flu, in which case he should have been put on anti-virals.

What? You just got done saying he was DX'd with a cold and fever.

Now you're saying he was misdiagnosed with a bacterial infection? What?

You're also saying he had the flu (?) what the hell...Kevin. Regroup and start over please.

It's either you or me. I think it's you. ;-)

[_Jersey Girl]

Let me just enlarge something here.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/26/us/cbp-timeline-guatemala-boy-dies/index.html

Over the next two days, Felipe and his father were provided with showers, food, juice, and water, and the agents logged 17 welfare checks.

Felipe and his father arrived at the Alamogordo Station. Upon arrival, they were provided with personal hygiene products and meals, and they received several welfare checks.

7 p.m.
Felipe appeared to be nauseous and vomited. Agents were aware of this and helped clean up the vomit. His father declined further medical assistance as the child had been feeling better.

10 p.m.
Felipe appeared lethargic and nauseous again.

Because no EMT was on duty, out of caution, agents made the decision to return Felipe and his father to Gerald Champion Regional Medical Center.

During transportation to the hospital, he began to vomit and lost consciousness.

11:07 p.m.
Radio traffic indicated that the agent had arrived at the medical center, where he was met by hospital staff.

It seems to me they received pretty good care. I wonder if they'll do an autopsy report to figure out what happened to the child...

- Doc

I don't mind folks holding Trump in contempt. He overall deserves it. When it comes to children, let's try to get it right as best we can.

Otherwise we're the ones using them as pawns.

[_Kevin Graham]

Jersey Girl the cold and the flu are often used interchangeably to refer to a virus. My comments make perfect sense if you understand amoxicillan is for bacterial infections not viruses. The cold/flu are viruses. Hence, if the kid is told he has a cold, and then given amoxicillan, that makes zero sense. They can swab and test to determine if his symptoms are viral or bacterial. For virus, antivirals like Tamiflu are prescribed. Antibiotics will make a virus even worse.

[_Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl the cold and the flu are often used interchangeably to refer to a virus. My comments make perfect sense if you understand amoxicillan is for bacterial infections not viruses. The cold/flu are viruses. Hence, if the kid is told he has a cold, and then given amoxicillan, that makes zero sense. They can swab and test to determine if his symptoms are viral or bacterial. For virus, antivirals like Tamiflu are prescribed. Antibiotics will make a virus even worse.

No, no, no and no. Don't say "if you understand..." to me, Kevin.

Your comments are imprecise. Period.

[_Kevin Graham]

Jersey Girl the cold and the flu are often used interchangeably to refer to a virus. My comments make perfect sense if you understand amoxicillan is for bacterial infections not viruses. The cold/flu are viruses. Hence, if the kid is told he has a cold, and then given amoxicillan, that makes zero sense. They can swab and test to determine if his symptoms are viral or bacterial. For virus, antivirals like Tamiflu are prescribed. Antibiotics will make a virus even worse.

No, no, no and no. Don't say "if you understand..." to me, Kevin.

Your comments are imprecise. Period.

Uh, I'll say whatever I want, especially after your lame attempt to make me out to be a blabbering idiot who makes no sense. There is no difference between the flu and cold in the context of using amoxicillin. I was precise on that. Typically when people get sick in the Winter, they either have a viral or bacterial infection. Amoxicillin and virus are two words that just don't go together in medical diagnoses.

And by the way, no one is using kids as "pawns" to blame Trump. Sigh.

I just came across this on Twitter, felt it was worth sharing, and left it at that. Go ahead and attribute all the malicious motives to me if you want. I don't even care anymore. Fact is I'm just depressed every time I hear about a kid dying while in our care.

[_Kevin Graham]

When and why should he ever have been exposed to such a cruel journey by any loving parent. Is it only ignorant and non-caring parents of any child that want a pass when a child dies from this stupidity? Kevin? Would you ever expose your children to this certainty?

You're pure human garbage, but you know that. The kid didn't get sick until after he was in border control custody for six days. Whatever virus he got, he got while being moved around between 4-5 different locations.

That's two children deaths in CBP care in the last two weeks.

Before that, it was more than a decade since a child died in CBP custody.

Weird huh?

[_Kevin Graham]

I'll wait for the investigations to play out, but I'll just say there is plenty reason to take what the CBP says with a grain of salt given their refusal to allow lawmakers to enter the premises and their neglect to report deaths to Congress. As more time passes, it seems we get another side to the story.

Attorneys for father of deceased migrant girl say border agents did not provide water

EL PASO — Seven-year-old Jakelin Caal and her father, Nery, were not provided water during the eight hours they were held in a remote Border Patrol facility with 161 other migrants, the family’s lawyers said Wednesday, contradicting statements by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The lawyers also said Border Patrol agents presented the girl’s father with English-language documents, which he signed, in the hours after her death on Dec. 8, raising the possibility that U.S. authorities sought an agreement — as he was grieving — to voluntarily leave the country.

“What we do know, and what our client is unequivocal with, is that no water was provided to either him or his daughter,” said Christopher Benoit, one of four attorneys who appeared at a news conference here at a shelter for migrants.

CBP officials have said food and water were available at the small border outpost in New Mexico where Jakelin and her father were held after crossing into the United States on the night of Dec. 6, and that the child consumed both after having nothing to eat or drink for several days. Nery Caal, 29, has disputed the government’s account, and his attorneys said cookies were the only thing available to the families in custody that night.