Trump's "Non-Starter"

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Re: Trump's "Non-Starter"

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subgenius wrote:*please, spare me any sort of short list of Trump business dealings or bankruptcies because statistically speaking having 10 business fail while maintaining ownership, board positions, and interest in 500 other companies does not constitute failure.

I like that you define success by struggling to keep casinos solvent and needing to have the taxpayers cover 916 million dollars of losses reported on his income tax filings in 1995 alone - after being handed hundreds of millions of dollars and businesss from his father.

If he had just dumped daddy's cash into an index fund, he'd be in better shape today than he currently is with his 'successful businesses'.

Let's hope that your wife handles the finances in your household. : )
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Re: Trump's "Non-Starter"

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EAllusion wrote:The triviality of the issue is precisely why it's important to not let someone hold the functioning of the government and livelihoods up over it.

This is stated just about as simply as it can be said. It's a puzzle that this point is lost on some folks.
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The Republican bill containing the President’s “offer” to reopen the govt makes extreme changes to the asylum system, including forbidding entirely asylum applications by Central American minors at the border or other ports of entry.

Here are some more changes:

https://Twitter.com/ReichlinMelnick/sta ... 8391363584

It's a radical overall of the asylum system, almost certainly in violation of the Geneva Conventions, that makes seeking asylum a near insurmountable task filled with danger for the seeker. That's the "compromise" Donald Trump is offering to open the government.
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EA what, in your view, is the difference between this current shut down and all the other shutdowns that Cam posted on that chart?

Why is taking a stand now of critical importance?

Questions for anyone, not just EA.
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Jersey Girl wrote:EA what, in your view, is the difference between this current shut down and all the other shutdowns that Cam posted on that chart?

Why is taking a stand now of critical importance?

Questions for anyone, not just EA.

The dynamics. In every shutdown before this one, the move was a form of Russian Roulette where public outrage was the bullet. Whomever the bullet went off on lost, and everyone knew this. So once the outrage began to build and the target emerge there was nothing but more pain to be gained by continuing it.

This process began back before the shutdown happened when Trump initially talked about it, realized it was not a popular position and was going to back the extension bill that would have postponed the debate until February, but then turtled up when his aggressive, irrational base went after him and his ego in ways that cut him deep enough he apparently doesn't care about anything else. Watch Game of Thrones? His base led by Ann Coulter turned him into Reek, where he would carefully shave Ann Coulter with a razor while she mocked his having had his dick cut off.

This isn't like anything we've seen because the mechanisms that typically end shutdowns were fully in effect before it actually began. So what is Trump playing for? It's a game of chicken now where one side has gouged its own eyes out...so of course people like Cam and I guess maybe you are begging the other driver to pull away before the baby carriage between the two cars gets crushed because that is how the person who gouged out their eyes played it. Like this will be the last time he does it once he realizes if he hurts Americans then he can get what he wants? Uh, I thought you were from Jersey. Anyway it needs to be understood the Republicans and Democrats of Congress can end this, there is a third party involved (Senate Republicans) who aren't immune to the typical mechanisms of ending a shutdown who aren't engaging precisely because they aren't being forced to so they aren't feeling the pain, but once they start feeling the pain and being told they are as much to blame as Trump when they refuse to do anything but give a, "whatchugunnado?" things will begin to move in the direction of resolution.

Cam's perspective is precisely what Stephen Miller is counting on. Oh, and you should get to know more about Stephen Miller if you want to understand what makes this different. You have an anti-immigration ideologue behind the scenes about as far removed from the pain being caused as could be yanking on Trump's chain making him yelp out "National Emergency!" because he's a damned nut. It's actually a mystery why we don't talk more about the nutjobs in the White House in the same way we talked about Karl Rove or Cheney or the other players in GWB's White House. We should.
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Jersey Girl wrote:EAllusion what, in your view, is the difference between this current shut down and all the other shutdowns that Cam posted on that chart?

Why is taking a stand now of critical importance?

Questions for anyone, not just EAllusion.
I'm not suggesting any government shut downs are a good thing or that it is always wrong to stand-off on appropriations. I'm suggesting that allowing a President and his party to indefinitely shut down the government over small issues to hardball negotiations encourages future governmental dysfunction and harm. Giving in only invites similar behavior, and since trivial issues are endless, it invites similar behavior over an endless number of issues. You don't pay ransom to hostage-takers because that encourages them to take more hostages in the future to get more of what they want.

I also would suggest that the President is wrong to want what he wants, and this is not irrelevant to assigning blame in why shutdowns occur. Democrats and Republicans had already agreed to continued funding of the government. Trump artificially invoked a shut down over getting funding for a boondoggle. Blaming the people who won't play ball with that is obnoxious. Moreover, if it's so valuable that it's worth shutting down the government over, then you'd expect something of value to be given up. That is not occurring. Democrats are being offered almost less than nothing in a cynical ploy to make it seem like an attempt at compromise is being made. The whole thing is bad.
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Watch Game of Thrones?


No, I don't. If it's a television series, I don't watch television.


His base led by Ann Coulter turned him into Reek, where he would carefully shave Ann Coulter with a razor while she mocked his having had his dick cut off.


I don't think I'll be watching Game of Thrones now.

As to your comment regarding Miller. Yes, I know what's going on with him. I think he's dangerous.

I'll consider the remainder of your post. You can see I'm slow on the uptake when the topic is politics. Thanks for the reply.
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This is how much Trump has awareness over this issue:

“Everybody knows that walls work. You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem,” Trump said outside the White House.

“You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places, they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately.”

The $5B will most likely go into some replacement projects, maybe some nonsense spots, and will likely be absorbed into current operating expenditures.

This is such a crap show.

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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Stephen.

Miller.

Trump is a tool. You should reread your own sigline.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Watch Game of Thrones?


No, I don't. If it's a television series, I don't watch television.


His base led by Ann Coulter turned him into Reek, where he would carefully shave Ann Coulter with a razor while she mocked his having had his dick cut off.


I don't think I'll be watching Game of Thrones now.

That's a shame because your missing out on all the best incest. Honestly, it was like most cable TV, interesting for a while, even had moments of brilliance but is largely limping to a finale it probably can't hope to meet fan expectations. Other than Peter Dinklage as Tyrion I wouldn't say you're really missing out.

As to your comment regarding Miller. Yes, I know what's going on with him. I think he's dangerous.

I'll consider the remainder of your post. You can see I'm slow on the uptake when the topic is politics. Thanks for the reply.
I doubt it's being slow. I appreciate the caution and reflection.
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