The progressive prosecutor

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The progressive prosecutor

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I regret not supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016. There are a lot of things I don't like about Hillary Clinton, but at least she is a very intelligent woman with a lot of experience in the government. Clinton would have fought hard for stem cell research and cloning. But now all we have are a bunch of inexperience politicians running for office. Seriously wth?

Most troubling, Ms. Harris fought tooth and nail to uphold wrongful convictions that had been secured through official misconduct that included evidence tampering, false testimony and the suppression of crucial information by prosecutors.

Consider her record as San Francisco’s district attorney from 2004 to 2011. Ms. Harris was criticized in 2010 for withholding information about a police laboratory technician who had been accused of “intentionally sabotaging” her work and stealing drugs from the lab. After a memo surfaced showing that Ms. Harris’s deputies knew about the technician’s wrongdoing and recent conviction, but failed to alert defense lawyers, a judge condemned Ms. Harris’s indifference to the systemic violation of the defendants’ constitutional rights. Ms. Harris contested the ruling by arguing that the judge, whose husband was a defense attorney and had spoken publicly about the importance of disclosing evidence, had a conflict of interest. Ms. Harris lost. More than 600 cases handled by the corrupt technician were dismissed.


Worst of all, though, is Ms. Harris’s record in wrongful conviction cases. Consider George Gage, an electrician with no criminal record who was charged in 1999 with sexually abusing his stepdaughter, who reported the allegations years later. The case largely hinged on the stepdaughter’s testimony and Mr. Gage was convicted.

Afterward, the judge discovered that the prosecutor had unlawfully held back potentially exculpatory evidence, including medical reports indicating that the stepdaughter had been repeatedly untruthful with law enforcement. Her mother even described her as “a pathological liar” who “lives her lies.”

In 2015, when the case reached the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco, Ms. Harris’s prosecutors defended the conviction. They pointed out that Mr. Gage, while forced to act as his own lawyer, had not properly raised the legal issue in the lower court, as the law required.

The appellate judges acknowledged this impediment and sent the case to mediation, a clear signal for Ms. Harris to dismiss the case. When she refused to budge, the court upheld the conviction on that technicality. Mr. Gage is still in prison serving a 70-year sentence.

That case is not an outlier. Ms. Harris also fought to keep Daniel Larsen in prison on a 28-year-to-life sentence for possession of a concealed weapon even though his trial lawyer was incompetent and there was compelling evidence of his innocence. Relying on a technicality again, Ms. Harris argued that Mr. Larsen failed to raise his legal arguments in a timely fashion. (This time, she lost.)

She also defended Johnny Baca’s conviction for murder even though judges found a prosecutor presented false testimony at the trial. She relented only after a video of the oral argument received national attention and embarrassed her office. And then there’s Kevin Cooper, the death row inmate whose trial was infected by racism and corruption. He sought advanced DNA testing to prove his innocence, but Ms. Harris opposed it. (After The New York Times’s exposé of the case went viral, she reversed her position.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opin ... stice.html


Jesus Christ! If Harris wins the nomination I might consider voting for Trump in 2020 to punish the Democrats.
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So basically you're willing to repeat the same mistake twice.

Got it.
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DT, you won’t be punishing Democrats if you do that. You’ll be punishing the American People.

There’d be some irony there, considering what you’re saying about Harris.
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DoubtingThomas wrote:Jesus Christ! If Harris wins the nomination I might consider voting for Trump in 2020 to punish the Democrats.

Wouldn't you vote for Trump no matter who the Democratic candidate was?
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Jesus Christ! If Harris wins the nomination I might consider voting for Trump in 2020 to punish the Democrats.


I voted for Harris's GOP Opponent for California's Attorney General back in 2010. (She won that race by a small margin.) But if it comes between Harris and Trump in the 2020 Presidential election, I will probably vote for her.
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canpakes wrote:DT, you won’t be punishing Democrats if you do that. You’ll be punishing the American People.


And what would a president Kamala Harris do for me? Kamala gets my support when she starts talking a lot about stem cell research and cloning, technology, NASA, the environment, and getting money out of politics.

moksha wrote:Wouldn't you vote for Trump no matter who the Democratic candidate was?


I do like Warren, Ojeda, O'rourke, and Sanders.

Kevin Graham wrote:So basically you're willing to repeat the same mistake twice.

Got it.


Only if the Democrats repeat the same mistake in the primaries.
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A nice point .
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DoubtingThomas wrote:I regret not supporting Hillary Clinton in 2016. There are a lot of things I don't like about Hillary Clinton


I see this a lot. I'm always curious about the things people don't like about Hillary Clinton. What are those things for you, DT?

Me? I thought she was a great fit for the Presidency. She's had decades to prepare for the role, served as our premier stateswoman, and would've been much more level-headed than our current Command in Chief.

Has she said objectively dumb things? Sure. Who hasn't? But she has an incredibly sharp political mind, understands our state apparatus, and would've managed our government far better than Mr. Trump.

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A thread that unites Harris and Clinton is an established history of being bad on civil rights when it comes to bolstering police state powers. Harris's record is worse than Clinton's (it's even worse than the brief snippets in the OP), but this thread tells you that this is something that weighs heavily on DT.

Harris probably would be good for stem-cell research compared to Trump if you plan on single-issue voting that for some reason.
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2018 has officially come down as the fourth warmest year on record. The other three are 2015, 2016, and 2017. If not for a handful of votes in Florida in 2000, we might not be barreling towards a global catastrophe right now. I wish it weren't, but that statement isn't hyperbole.

Elections have consequences. Sometimes big ones. And if you can't tell the difference between Trump's pure malice tempered by incompetence and Harris's more ordinary prosecutorial terribleness on civil rights, you're getting worked. I know your politics well enough to know that a world in which Democrats feel punished for nominating Harris is a much worse world than one in which Donald Trump is defeated.
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