Personhood and Abortion Rights

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Kevin Graham wrote:Isn't it funny how Republicans only care about the baby until it is born. From that point on their personal philosophy takes a violent twist: Free healthcare? "It is not my problem their Mom is poor and too lazy to work."

Yup. It's funny how being 'pro-life' ends at the lower end of the birth canal. You're on your own after that, kid.
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Themis wrote:That is the correct definition. A Fetus is any unborn offspring of a mammal. It is a PR move by those who want to outlaw abortions to redefine these terms to child. It doesn't however do anything with the issue of whether a women should have the right to have an abortion or not. Do you have an argument for why they should or shouldn't be allowed to get an abortion including any exceptions from the two extremes?

This is a hard subject Themis, there is no definitive answer that does not allow grey areas...I get that. Women are allowed to get a abortion for any reason...if you believe it is okay, then that is your choice, and their choice.

If my wife/daughter was raped and pregnant...I think I would want to abort the child in my heart, I don't know if I am strong enough to deal with all the issues it would create, I hope I would be but I doubt it.

I think you know what I meant about fetus vs child...we can use Human vs non human if it helps to understand my point.

It's sad that abortion has turned into such a polarizing issue, a red and blue issue that must be taken by default based on ones political party for most. It stops reducing them based on folks digging in there heals. I think we can agree that abortions are not healthy mentally and physically.
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Markk wrote:I think we can agree that abortions are not healthy mentally and physically.

Actually no. Abortions become extremely healthy to mothers whose lives are endangered during the pregnancy.
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Markk wrote:If my wife/daughter was raped and pregnant...I think I would want to abort the child in my heart, I don't know if I am strong enough to deal with all the issues it would create, I hope I would be but I doubt it.

I appreciate that you can admit this, and acknowledge the difficulty in this decision. Thank you.
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Markk wrote:If my wife/daughter was raped and pregnant...I think I would want to abort the child in my heart, I don't know if I am strong enough to deal with all the issues it would create, I hope I would be but I doubt it.

I don't understand. It's murder, right? What other "issues" are there to understand?

It isn't the "baby's" fault who his daddy is.

Why murder a poor defenseless child just because of who his daddy is?
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Markk wrote:This is a hard subject Themis, there is no definitive answer that does not allow grey areas...I get that. Women are allowed to get a abortion for any reason...if you believe it is okay, then that is your choice, and their choice.

If the laws says it is illegal then it is not their choice. Is that not the real issue here?

If my wife/daughter was raped and pregnant...I think I would want to abort the child in my heart, I don't know if I am strong enough to deal with all the issues it would create, I hope I would be but I doubt it.

Most anti Abortion groups think a women should have a choice to abort if raped or if the life of the mother is at risk. Is this not a recognition of a women's choice. Then why should women not have that choice if they got pregnant any other way and their life is not at risk?

I think you know what I meant about fetus vs child...we can use Human vs non human if it helps to understand my point.

Why not just use fetus? Non-human is really vague and not really accurate.

I think we can agree that abortions are not healthy mentally and physically.

What makes abortions unhealthy?
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Markk, can you explain whether you are for or against the "Morning after pill." If you're against, please explain why.
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Markk wrote:If my wife/daughter was raped and pregnant...I think I would want to abort the child in my heart, I don't know if I am strong enough to deal with all the issues it would create, I hope I would be but I doubt it.

Why? I would like you to explain why you would support the procedure in this particular situation.
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Jersey Girl wrote:Why? I would like you to explain why you would support the procedure in this particular situation.

Selfish pride, anger, spite, hate, weakness, and I am sure other emotions would rise out in me that would want it.

Why would you support it in this situation, and more importantly why would you support it is a "pleasure" conception, say a condom fail?
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Kevin Graham wrote:Markk, can you explain whether you are for or against the "Morning after pill." If you're against, please explain why.

Yes I am...I think it is lazy, and maybe I am being hypocritical in drawing the line between TMAP and general contraceptives, but it is a easy line for me to draw and stand by, and easy for me to accept and justify with my conscious and my faith. Like I told Themis this is not a easy subject, and it is about choice...we have the freedom to preserve life, or abort life..or blow it off as no life.

Kevin, where do you draw the line, and why?
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