ACLU current email (Trump related)

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ACLU current email (Trump related)

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I thought folks here might like to see the content of current Trump related emails from the ACLU. I dunno, for comparison to other material you're reading.

Today:

[Jersey]-

Last week, mounting pressure from thousands of activists like you forced President Trump to reopen the government with a temporary funding bill. But make no mistake: Trump will keep fighting for his border wall and for more funding for his detention and deportation force. To get his way, he's even threatening to shut down the government again or declare a national emergency.

Right now the ball is in the House's court. Your representatives are currently negotiating a new funding deal, and we must stop any attempts to give DHS a raise.

Call Congress now: No border wall, no more money for Homeland Security to abuse and terrorize immigrants.

I've been in court fighting family separation and the asylum ban, so I know firsthand that the department responsible for these cruel policies, DHS, does not deserve the unprecedented raise that Trump wants to give it with the next funding bill he signs. He's digging in his heels, so we have to demand that Congress cut DHS's massive budget.

Thanks for staying in this fight,
Lee



Hi [Jersey],

Today, 800,000 federal government workers and countless contractors are wrestling with the fallout of the longest government shutdown in history. On Friday, President Trump reopened the government without his border wall. Now we have three weeks before the current funding runs out to ensure the government stays funded – but with no money for a wall or a raise for Trump's detention and deportation force.

Let's not forget how we got into this mess: Trump's desire to implement unconscionable, inhumane, and illegal immigration policies. He created a crisis at the border with his own policies that target asylum seekers. A wall and more border militarization won't fix it.

I witnessed the crisis firsthand a few weeks ago when I traveled to Tijuana, Mexico. Because in order to win this fight, we must confront the realities of Trump's anti-immigrant agenda. Read about the real problems at the border – all consequences of the administration's own policies.

The Trump administration is violating U.S. and international human rights law by denying asylum seekers entry. As a result, migrants who are fleeing persecution and violence must wait in Mexico in cities like Tijuana. Many stay in overcrowded shelters, where a thin plastic sheet is the only barrier protecting them from dirt floors. Those who can't find a space in a shelter live in tent encampments on the street. Respiratory illness, chicken pox, and other sicknesses run rampant as a result of people sleeping outside for months. And as children wait for asylum, cartels prey on them – kidnapping, extorting, torturing and murdering them.

These conditions become worse as the backlog of migrants seeking refuge grows – a backlog that the Trump administration has created as it continues to illegally deny people's right to claim asylum. The administration can fix this problem by reversing its own anti-asylum policies – not by building a wall, and not by giving any more money to ICE or CBP.

As Trump insists on ineffective solutions like a wall and jailing an unprecedented 52,000 immigrants per day, we must confront the real crisis on the border and the policies that manufactured it. When we call on our members of Congress again, we'll remember what we're fighting for.

[Jersey], we'll keep challenging Trump's anti-asylum policies in the courts. But it's activists like you who made Trump change course on Friday and reopen the government without getting his border wall. And it's activists like you who will make sure Trump never gets his wall, more money for his detention and deportation force, or gets away with any of his inhumane, illegal immigration policies.

Thanks for your support,

Lee Gelernt
Deputy Director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project
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Re: ACLU current email (Trump related)

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Interesting.

I think Lee’s number is off a bit, though. Otherwise, at the rate he quotes, we’d be jailing immigrants at a rate of almost 19 million per year.
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canpakes wrote:Interesting.

I think Lee’s number is off a bit, though. Otherwise, at the rate he quotes, we’d be jailing immigrants at a rate of almost 19 million per year.


Yeah I just wanted people to see what they're laying down to their email subscribers so it could be compared to other sources.
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I preferred ACLU in the Henthoff/Kaminer days. Romero's organization is more political.
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Re: ACLU current email (Trump related)

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Jersey Girl wrote:I thought folks here might like to see the content of current Trump related emails from the ACLU. I dunno,


“I dunno” may be the only relevant statement in the OP. Consistent w most of your past conclusions.
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The Trump administration is violating U.S. and international human rights law by denying asylum seekers entry. As a result, migrants who are fleeing persecution and violence must wait in Mexico in cities like Tijuana. Many stay in overcrowded shelters, where a thin plastic sheet is the only barrier protecting them from dirt floors. Those who can't find a space in a shelter live in tent encampments on the street. Respiratory illness, chicken pox, and other sicknesses run rampant as a result of people sleeping outside for months. And as children wait for asylum, cartels prey on them – kidnapping, extorting, torturing and murdering them.


What is incredible is that in one breath he describes the horrible people and conditions that plague Mexico...but also wants to condemn Trump for trying to stop those kinds of people and conditions from entering our country?
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Markk wrote:What is incredible is that in one breath he describes the horrible people and conditions that plague Mexico...but also wants to condemn Trump for trying to stop those kinds of people and conditions from entering our country?


So basically people suffering because of his policy and you're saying because they're suffering we need to keep them out.

Why do people like you even have the pretense of being Christian? That's what's incredible to me.
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Markk wrote:
What is incredible is that in one breath he describes the horrible people and conditions that plague Mexico...but also wants to condemn Trump for trying to stop those kinds of people and conditions from entering our country?


You don't stop those "people and conditions" by preventing people seeking refuge from them entering the country. People aren't their government's policies, leadership, resources, or international standing. We aren't Donald Trump nor are we culturally or genetically destined to be like Donald Trump.

This is doubly rich given that one of the main drivers of violence in Mexico that you are referring to is the United States's war on drugs. And guess who supports that?
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Kevin Graham wrote:
Markk wrote:What is incredible is that in one breath he describes the horrible people and conditions that plague Mexico...but also wants to condemn Trump for trying to stop those kinds of people and conditions from entering our country?


So basically people suffering because of his policy and you're saying because they're suffering we need to keep them out.

Why do people like you even have the pretense of being Christian? That's what's incredible to me.


I never said leave them out did I. I don't believe in a completely open Border...do you? I live a few hours from Tijuana, do you have any idea what it is like, and what would happen if we just opened the border up with no security?

I wrote that the letter does not make sense at all to criticize Trump for wanting to control the border because of the very bad folks the author admits are at the border doing horrible things to people.

I have done more outreaches to Mexico, and here, to and for Illegal immigrants than I can ever count. Providing housing, food, clothing, blankets and personal hygiene items. I am sure you also help those less fortunate in your way, and that is a good thing. But if you believe that if we just open up our borders, or not put some kind of control beyond what we have now, you might want to spend some time down here for a while.

Do you believe we should just open up the borders and not police it?
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Re: ACLU current email (Trump related)

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Trump is live right now discussing human trafficking. I think this guy is gearing up to declare a nat'l emergency.
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