Mcabe admits plan to oust Trump

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you don’t bury your head in the sand about this fact and invent an alternative reality where Canadians get garbage health care.


Don't pretend that Canada can afford to provide universal good quality healthcare any better than the US can. They clearly must set limits on their healthcare spending that many on the left would still view as immoral and loudly fight to ignore such limits driving the nation into bankruptcy.
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Ajax - Does New York City have higher median wages than where you live? If so, why haven’t you already moved there?
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EAllusion wrote:Ajax - Does New York City have higher median wages than where you live? If so, why haven’t you already moved there?


The cost of living is higher of course, not to mention the taxes. I do want the amenities offered by a city and make a little less money because of that but I don't need a city as big as New York City to get the amenities I want.
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ajax18 wrote:
you don’t bury your head in the sand about this fact and invent an alternative reality where Canadians get garbage health care.


Don't pretend that Canada can afford to provide universal good quality healthcare any better than the US can. They clearly must set limits on their healthcare spending that many on the left would still view as immoral and loudly fight to ignore such limits driving the nation into bankruptcy.
Again, health outcomes are significantly better in Canada. Facts are facts. The problem here is you already have the conclusion in mind, so you set about incorrectly assuming any factual question regarding it comes out in your favor.

The US system is about 50% socialized in a very inefficient way. I would suggest that has something to do with it, but I am not a fan of just assuming what I would prefer to think.
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ajax18 wrote:
EAllusion wrote:Ajax - Does New York City have higher median wages than where you live? If so, why haven’t you already moved there?


The cost of living is higher of course, not to mention the taxes. I do want the amenities offered by a city and make a little less money because of that but I don't need a city as big as New York City to get the amenities I want.
So it sounds like you get that higher median wages aren’t the only thing people take into account when deciding where to live.
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ajax18 wrote:
including some finding out it is not as simple as showing up at the border.


What gives your country the moral right to have and enforce a border? Don't you welcome any and all immigrants?


Canada is welcoming of Immigrants. There would be no Canada without it. There is no moral right here, just the ability to make rules about immigration and the ability to enforce them to some extent.

Meaning bottom line you don't believe a sovereign nation has a moral right to enforce its border, right?


How does recognizing illegal immigration is a real issue mean I don't believe a country has the right to enforce it's border? The US under Obama did more to keep people out then at anytime in it's history before Obama. Same with Canada. It enforces it's border more today then at anytime in the past when it comes to immigration. In the past countries like the US and Canada were primarily concerned about having and keeping it borders, not keeping people from moving in. The Canadian Government has had a long strategy of bringing in immigrants to grow it's economy as legal and even illegal immigration do. It's cheaper then having kids. Japan is in trouble because it has a large debt and shrinking population. The US has a massive debt and a growing population will be one of the things it needs to do when you guys realize it is getting to emergency levels.
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ajax18 wrote:Don't pretend that Canada can afford to provide universal good quality healthcare any better than the US can. They clearly must set limits on their healthcare spending that many on the left would still view as immoral and loudly fight to ignore such limits driving the nation into bankruptcy.


The US could provide better health care and even create a universal health care system. It is true no country has unlimited funds, and Universal systems have to decide what to pay for and what people will have to pay for out of there own pockets. Most health care, including what is covered by the government, is run by the private sector. It's not very socialized. The government just makes sure everyone gets medical services deemed necessary.
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