Themis wrote:I have to wonder why, if everyone else was moving out of the way, the man with the drum was blocked by one little kid.
He basically self blocked by physically inserting himself into the group students. He could have easily ascended the steps to the monument which is what he is quoted in at least one interview as claiming what his initial goal was.
Apparently his goal changed.
If you watch the video with the sound off, it almost looks as though the Native Americans are trying to put themselves between the two groups and as they move further into the group, one could assume that Phillips was joining them.
Until you turn on the sound only to discover that's probably not the case. Of course we're looking at groups that aren't verbalizing their intentions.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Jersey Girl wrote: The thread is one miniscule representation of the bias that people cast on the incident.
Do you not get that he was saying he is not confident it will even be considered in a thread where many had already considered it. My bringing that up had nothing to do with limiting his statement to just this thread. In fact it should be obvious that if he was wrong here even before he created his post, he might be wrong elsewhere.
Jersey Girl wrote:He basically self blocked by physically inserting himself into the group students. He could have easily ascended the steps to the monument which is what he is quoted in at least one interview as claiming what his initial goal was.
Apparently his goal changed.
If you watch the video with the sound off, it almost looks as though the Native Americans are trying to put themselves between the two groups and as they move further into the group, one could assume that Phillips was joining them.
Until you turn on the sound only to discover that's probably not the case. Of course we're looking at groups that aren't verbalizing their intentions.
I agree and would add one of the problems is people tend to reevaluate the events they participated in such that the narrative in their mind is different then it was when it was happening.
Jersey Girl wrote:Everyone else, including the hate-spouting Black Israelites was perfectly in the clear. Sheesh. Everyone knows that.
;-)
At the risk of doing one of my usual Aspergery detours, I'll mention that I haven't missed your comments about those BI guys, and why they didn't garner as much attention - or seem as potentially 'influential' - as the schoolkids, when considering any exhibited behaviors or attitudes.
If drawing a parallel to, say, science matters, it's like the degree of concern that someone might have about anti-vaxxers versus flat-earthers.
Jersey Girl wrote:These are school spirit practices and traditions. People need to get a grip and quit viewing everything through the lens of racism.
I disagree that school spirit practices and traditions should be allowed to stand, if they are inappropriate. From an article published 2016 in BYU law journal, ·"Time to Bury the Tomahawk Chop: An Attempt to Reconcile the Differing Viewpoints of. Native Americans and Sports Fans":
the use of Indian mascots a furthers a stereotypical image of Native Americans. This furtherance of stereotypes can be seen in “the dance, the music, and the symbols” surrounding these Indian mascots.71
Symbols like “tomahawks, spears, war whoops, and headdresses” portray Native Americans as noble savages.72
Additionally, the “wearing of feathers, buckskin, and war paint” adds to the image of Native Americans as war heroes, perpetuating such stereotypical perceptions.73
The symbols implicated by Indian mascots are not the only problem. Another problem is that the Indian mascots play on the stereotypes that people already hold...
Despite the stereotypes Indian mascots perpetuate, some people do not understand why the use of Indian mascots should raise concerns. Native American mascots may have been chosen to symbolize honor and to embody important values such as persistence, determination, strength, and valor. In fact, Indian mascots have generated “deep support” from a strong fan base and have become a cherished tradition by many American sports fans.82
But Indian mascots were created for athletics, not to honor the Native American people. The very idea that these Indian mascots “honor Native Americans” arguably came simply as “an afterthought to justify their existence.”83
Even though Indian mascots may portray a positive image of Native Americans—an image of deep respect and honor—the image portrayed is still a stereotype.84
Furthermore, it is a stereotype that is not representative of Native American culture today and portrays a fantasy version of Indians from the past.
Some schools argue that their use of Native American mascots is non-stereotypical and completely authentic.85. However, Dr. Laurel R. Davis, one of the most prominent sports sociologists in the nation who studies Indian mascots,86 ... describes how the stereotypical nature and effects of Native American mascots cannot be avoided, despite a school’s efforts to encourage culturally-accurate portrayals of Native Americans...
Jersey Girl wrote:The "color" events are not consistently using colored faces with emphasis around the eyes and mouth. I think you are choosing to see what you're looking for here, EAllusion.
No one is claiming the school held a blackface night. What is being claimed is that one or more students dressed up in a traditional blackface look on a "black-out" night. School spirit, it turns out, is not a good reason to don blackface. Either this student did it intentionally in a trollish maneuver or did so unintentionally because he's wildly ignorant of the implications of the look. In either case, a bunch of people around him either didn't or couldn't stop him.
Doc's reply to this is that using white makes it not blackface, because blackface uses pink or red around the lips. So, in other words, this is not blackface:
Doc is not correct. At all. A simple google search of people in blackface could have cleared that up immediately. Anyway, here's Judy Garland not in blackface:
Now compare Ted Danson's purposeful design to the kids in body paint in this picture, or the one prior and tell me if you really belive they were dressing up as minstrels.
eta: In an effort to show EA it's not the end of the world when you're not 100% correct all the time and it's ok to acknowledge it, I admit that quite a few people have used white makeup for their blackface. I guess that's a good thing I wasn't well versed in blackface makeup.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
