Covington Kids Exonerated from Wrong-doing

[_EAllusion]

Why show that picture instead of the one being discussed?

https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2019/01/ ... t=1200,628

It appears the reason is that you want to strawman the argument (surprise!) and claim what you are disagreeing with is that the school intentionally dressed up as minstrels. That'd be odd when I've repeatedly stated what I'm claiming is that at least one student dressed up in a blackface look. In doing so, I allowed for the possibility of that he is just wildly ignorant and didn't have anyone in his social orbit to do something about it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here's LAFC being guilty of blackface according to EA's absurd standards:



- Doc

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Here are more example of egregious racist body paint according to EA's absurd standards:

https://www.google.com/search?q=black+b ... 12&dpr=1.5

SHAME. SHAME!

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

If you feel you can't tell the difference between a blackface look and facepainting a skull or other things that might cause black body paint to come into contact with your face Doc, my advice is to never, ever get close to black body paint. You might think those "Sorry if you were offended" apologies write themselves, but you might not be invited to a potluck ever again.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

If you feel you I can't tell the difference between a blackface look and facepainting a skull or other things that might cause black body paint to come into contact with your face Doc, my advice is to never, ever get close to black body paint. You might think those "Sorry if you were offended" apologies write themselves, but you might not be invited to a potluck ever again.

FTFY.

- Doc

[_honorentheos]

Let's go to just moments before the face off, Kevin. Here's the stamped link:

https://youtu.be/GKZn2e9wDBs?t=1021

First, tell me how you timestamp these videos. That's very useful.

Right click on the timeline. One of the options is to copy a link at that time stamp.

But it isn't the case that the context shows the kid should have moved out of Philips' way because he was trying to go past him.

Sure it is. He was heading right towards him and Sandmann was looking right at him the whole time.

We agree. Philips was doing this same thing with other kids, moving up to them and drumming. For example, my previous link shows this. Then he would turn and move in front of someone else. He and the kid make eye contact as Philips moves up to him and drums at him. The kids stands there. It's pretty clear from the video.

Philips was not trying to move up the stairs. He was confronting people with his drumming. This kid chose to stare him down and it ended up on video on the internet. I don't fault the kid for doing what he did at all. Certainly not knowing that the other guy with a drum moved up to Philips' right and starts drumming at the kid as well. He doesn't get angry. He seems fairly self-aware. He tries to signal the other kid to knock it off when the kid starts saying offensive things...I think he shows a lot of positive character traits, actually. Not many people would be engaged in a confrontation like that and keep their cool.

[_honorentheos]

honor consider aggregates and how they formed, dispersed, and formed again during the event. Did the symbols and symbolic meanings change during the continuous reorganization of the aggregates? When the individuals that make up the aggregate change composition, shouldn't we consider the possibility that the symbolism they employed also changed meaning?

How can we determine what the intentions and motivations behind the behaviors and use of symbols really were?

Because we know what they mean to us when we choose or decline to use them?

You went over my head, Jersey Girl. My sense is this is getting into a particular vein of something you've studied. I'm just a dummy who deals with symbols in a very visual way now and again. Maybe you can explain more about what these terms mean and how they apply?

[_Jersey Girl]

These are school spirit practices and traditions. People need to get a grip and quit viewing everything through the lens of racism.

I disagree that school spirit practices and traditions should be allowed to stand, if they are inappropriate.

I haven't offered an opinion on whether or not the traditions should be left to stand.

[_EAllusion]

If the existence of sporting caraicatures of Native Americans and Native American cultures leads to teens actively doing them to a Native American’s face, that doesn’t excuse the teens so much as give us more reason to end those practices.

[_Lemmie]

These are school spirit practices and traditions. People need to get a grip and quit viewing everything through the lens of racism.

I disagree that school spirit practices and traditions should be allowed to stand, if they are inappropriate.

I haven't offered an opinion on whether or not the traditions should be left to stand.

My apologies, I was responding to your full post here:

As a Scot I'm personally and deeply offended by their Braveheart march where students are seen bare chested wearing shorts and pseudo kilts following a piper.

Oh wait. I'm not.

How do we characterize the students in complete white face? Are those the hallmarks of white supremacy?

These are school spirit practices and traditions. People need to get a grip and quit viewing everything through the lens of racism.

It seemed that you implied that the "school spirit practices and traditions" we are discussing should be allowed to stand, but I must have misinterpreted your post.

Another note from the paper I referenced:

...Dr. Davis argues that even if a culturally-accurate portrayal is possible, it is still not appropriate. She argues that a non-Native American’s portrayal of a Native American could come across as a mockery of Native American culture, especially if the mascot is used for entertainment purposes. Although not everyone may see the portrayal of an Indian mascot as a mockery of Indian culture, it is reasonable that some people may view it that way.

This is especially true given the sporting environment where Indian mascots are used. It is hard to imagine that a culturally accurate portrayal would take place in a sports context and not come across—at least in part—as being made in jest.97

Regardless of whether a school tries to accurately represent Native American culture, the use of Indian mascots arguably furthers the stereotypical image of Native Americans as noble savages.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... KlMcBgDG5v