honorentheos wrote:Perhaps this is an odd question, but was anyone else a member of the order of the arrow through scouting? Is it still actively engaged in? It's difficult for me to imagine it wouldn't be seen as seriously guilty of cultural appropriation from what I recall of it.
Yes. But I see a significant difference between appropriating symbolism for a solemn ritual and appropriating it for entertainment.
“The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the dedicated communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction, true and false, no longer exists.”
― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
honorentheos wrote:Perhaps this is an odd question, but was anyone else a member of the order of the arrow through scouting? Is it still actively engaged in? It's difficult for me to imagine it wouldn't be seen as seriously guilty of cultural appropriation from what I recall of it.
Yes. But I see a significant difference between appropriating symbolism for a solemn ritual and appropriating it for entertainment.
I was Order of the Arrow. Isn't cultural appropriation by a conquering people the problem itself? In this case mock 'indian' rituals combined with borrowed masonic rituals combined with mild hazing is honoring Native Americans and First Nations how?
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
honorentheos wrote:Perhaps this is an odd question, but was anyone else a member of the order of the arrow through scouting? Is it still actively engaged in? It's difficult for me to imagine it wouldn't be seen as seriously guilty of cultural appropriation from what I recall of it.
Yes. But I see a significant difference between appropriating symbolism for a solemn ritual and appropriating it for entertainment.
I don't know, despite all the fond memories I have of my time in the OA I look back at some of the pageantry of it and have to cringe. I'll agree that I see a difference between what we did and say, a tomahawk chop but I think that is mostly in degree, not kind.
"If you consider what are called the virtues in mankind, you will find their growth is assisted by education and cultivation." -Xenophon of Athens
I had a co-worker who talked about working at camp in her late teens that still had mock “Indian ceremonies” that combined fraternal organization rituals with borrowed and mish-mashed ideas about indigenous cultures. That was the main theme of the camp, in fact.
She told us stories about it for the skin-crawling awkwardness factor like someone telling embarrassing stories about their time in a sex cult. It’s something you’d like to imagine died in the mid 20th century, but are occasionally reminded still goes on.
Kevin Graham wrote:At the end of the day, this is really a very stupid thing to keep talking about. But idiots like Bach have to keep milking it for as long as they can given the dumpster fire of a presidency we have right now. Anything to distract from that is a win in their book.
And yet, after only my first two posts, you spent over two weeks and 30 posts on this thread to show how willing you are, in every aspect of your message board life, to take the bait!!!
Gotta a whole tackle box full of hooks KG. Just don’t need to bait em w you in the pond!!!!
