subgenius wrote:heaven forbid a person's success be based upon their ability and decisions they make
Success (in income terms) nowadays has a great deal to do with the decision you made in the pre-existence: what will be the income level of the family you are born into?
Make the wrong decision at that stage, and whatever your ability your chances of 'success' will be much lower than they would have otherwise been.
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subgenius wrote:oh i get it..."self made" is an illusion because every business needs customers (a.k.a. customer made billionaire)...you are now crowned the loophole king- congrats and long live the loophole king!
Rant on, but your public fit still isn’t making any case that disproves the OP.
honorentheos wrote:I'm not sure what the purpose is of censoring bad words on a board organized around supposed movie rating levels where one ought to expect a single f-word, a handful of s-words and a flash of boob on the two most popular forums in off-topic and the Mormonism section.
That's because the board software won't allow auto-corrects that vary according to forum. They're either on for ALL forums, or they're off for all of them.
Trust me, I wish it wasn't like this.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
honorentheos wrote:I'm not sure what the purpose is of censoring bad words on a board organized around supposed movie rating levels where one ought to expect a single f-word, a handful of s-words and a flash of boob on the two most popular forums in off-topic and the Mormonism section.
That's because the board software won't allow auto-corrects that vary according to forum. They're either on for ALL forums, or they're off for all of them.
Trust me, I wish it wasn't like this.
Don't worry, I like having it off on both counts. It also has the added occasion bonus entertainment value of seeing other people react to an autocorrect rather than what was posted in comical ways. The hidden mini-game of "Guess the autocorrect" it creates is a bonus, in my opinion. Those are good times. :)
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subgenius wrote:oh i get it..."self made" is an illusion because every business needs customers (a.k.a. customer made billionaire)...you are now crowned the loophole king- congrats and long live the loophole king!
Rant on, but your public fit still isn’t making any case that disproves the OP.
can't disprove what has yet to be proven. all we have thus far is some odd ramblings from a few bitter middle class chumps that think success in America is exclusive to some John Hughes notion of privilege and that's why they are where they are...instead of them being where they are because of the merits from their own efforts.
all hail the loophole king!
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1) The wealthiest of the wealthy tend to come from a more economically diverse pool of people than the upper crust in general. That is to say, if you look at a list of the richest people in the country, they have a larger range of economic backgrounds than if you look at people who just in the .1% or whatever cut off you'd prefer. While they tend not to come from poverty, middle-class origins fairly well represented in that pool of people. One way of capturing this is to count how many of the people on Forbes' Lists and the like are "self-made," which here is a term of art meaning, "was not gifted the money."
This is because hitting on a very successful business can come from anywhere, but most wealth comes from inherited advantage. The wealthiest people of all are not infrequently people who hit on a successful business whereas the wealthy in general are almost entirely people who inherited a lot of wealth to start.
2) If you look at the wealthiest of the wealthy, those self-made billionaires, it's still almost entirely a matter of luck that they ended up where they are. Their ideas weren't better, their work-ethic wasn't more robust. It's not that they didn't work hard or didn't have good ideas. They probably did. It's that for everyone who hits it big, there are a huge number of people also with good ideas and work-ethic who did not. It's very much like winning the lottery. I read a paper on this a couple of years ago that demonstrated the phenomenon by modeling it with a great deal of mathematical rigor. The conclusion was inescapable. Striking it rich is almost pure luck.
subgenius wrote:can't disprove what has yet to be proven. all we have thus far is some odd ramblings from a few bitter middle class chumps that think success in America is exclusive to some John Hughes notion of privilege and that's why they are where they are...instead of them being where they are because of the merits from their own efforts.
I guess that explains why you’re not a ‘billionaire’ as Donald Trump. Or, for that matter, even a principal within the firm that you work for. By your reasoning it is merely because your own efforts have been significantly less meritorious.
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