Kamala blasts Pence for refusing to meet women alone

[_Jersey Girl]

One of the ways people develop influence is by meeting alone with people. Even when that is not the purpose of such meetings, it can have that implicit effect. If women can't do that with men in power, but men can, that puts them at a inherent disadvantage to men. That's the complaint all sorts of people have with Pence on this. Harris is just echoing this and hitting a slow pitch down the middle of the plate.

To twist this into anger over losing the chance to invent false sexual harassment/assault allegations is about as offensive as it is stupid.

Moreover, the folks at Brietbart are often reminding us of the dangerous risk of Muslims in the United States is that they'll import their misogynistic cultural mores into the country. That sounds scary. I wonder if they'll make it so men can't meet alone with women and put them at a structural disadvantage.

The solution is clear. Pence needs to change his policy and let the potential chips fall where they may.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Well. Pence doesn't need to do anything. His personal and professional policy, in fact, has worked out so well he's made it to VP. I can't really figure out when he'd have a professional meeting alone with anyone, besides a Russian, so I'm not sure who's making hay out of this.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

Well. Pence doesn't need to do anything. His personal and professional policy, in fact, has worked out so well he's made it to VP. I can't really figure out when he'd have a professional meeting alone with anyone, besides a Russian, so I'm not sure who's making hay out of this.

- Doc

To my knowledge, he never publicly applied the policy to professional meetings to begin with.

[_Jersey Girl]

Pence discriminates against more than half the population because he apparently doesn't trust himself not to cheat on his wife if left alone with another woman in an interview.

Where does Pence say this? Where does Pence apply the Billy Graham Rule to interviews or for that matter, business meetings?

Do you have evidence that he's stated this beyond the dinners and social situations mentioned in the OP?

[_EAllusion]

Well. Pence doesn't need to do anything. His personal and professional policy, in fact, has worked out so well he's made it to VP. I can't really figure out when he'd have a professional meeting alone with anyone, besides a Russian, so I'm not sure who's making hay out of this.

- Doc

Well, worked out well for Pence. I don't think people are complaining about the impact of Pence's discrimination on Pence, though.

[_Jersey Girl]

Assuming the quotes below attributed to KH are accurate...

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) said Thursday during an appearance on MSNBC that she thought it was “outrageous” Vice President Mike Pence would not meet with women alone.

“I disagree with him when he suggests it’s not possible to have meetings with women alone by himself,” the California senator and 2020 Democratic presidential contender told MSNBC on Thursday. “I think that’s ridiculous― the idea that you would deny a professional woman the opportunity to have a meeting with the vice president of the United States is outrageous.”

He never said that.

The vice president’s press secretary, Alyssa Farah, quickly fired back at Harris in a Thursday tweet, refuting Harris’ claim and telling her the vice president has promoted women to leadership positions within his office and has relied on his female staffers for “advice and counsel”:

“I’m a female Senior Advisor to Mike Pence & am wondering why you are repeating this false claim?” Farah tweeted. “He’s elevated women to positions of leadership throughout his career & relies on their advice & counsel. Get your facts straight.”

Okay, fine.

Harris was referring to a 2002 interview where Pence revealed that he never dines alone with women other than his wife Karen and does not drink in public unless his wife is by his side.

Which has not a damn thing to do with professional meetings.

When Pence’s comments resurfaced in a 2017 Washington Post article, several critics accused the vice president of putting career-minded women at a disadvantage for a “dumb dinner rule” and promoting a worldview “where men have no self-control, and women are either temptresses or guardians of virtue.”

Horse. crap. It's a personal policy that helps to prevent such situations and "avoids the appearance of evil". It makes women and men nearly untouchable from insinuation and allegation.

Despite the backlash in the press, a New York Times poll from that same year found that most Americans agreed with Pence’s principle of not eating alone with women other than his wife.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019 ... utrageous/

Kamala Harris can't read and think at the same time. Neither can some of the folks on this thread.

I have seen no evidence that Pence doesn't take professional meetings alone with women.

Has anyone else?

[_Jersey Girl]

Well. Pence doesn't need to do anything. His personal and professional policy, in fact, has worked out so well he's made it to VP. I can't really figure out when he'd have a professional meeting alone with anyone, besides a Russian, so I'm not sure who's making hay out of this.

- Doc

Well, worked out well for Pence. I don't think people are complaining about the impact of Pence's discrimination on Pence, though.

What discrimination?

[_EAllusion]

To my knowledge, he never publicly applied the policy to professional meetings to begin with.

He applied the policy to all contexts of his life at least where eating is concerned. He never will be alone with a woman, or if there's alcohol involved, be without his wife in mixed gender crowd. The Vice President of the United States is like a fundamentalist cleric because he's like a fundamentalist cleric. That's not sufficient to prevent you from being elected if you are Christian.

Because he doesn't treat men this way, men have a leg up in building relationships with Pence that can cross professional and social contexts in a way that women do not have access to. It'd be better if he said he'd never be alone with anyone, but I suspect people would regard that as more freakish than the open misogyny that comes from thinking women's sexual allure is so dangerous that it's not safe to be alone with them.

[_EAllusion]

What discrimination?

The discrimination being referred to in this thread title. I know you were a fan of this policy last time it was discussed, but I don't think you need to be obtuse about it. Mike Pence does not have a policy of not meeting with men alone.

[_Jersey Girl]

To my knowledge, he never publicly applied the policy to professional meetings to begin with.

He applied the policy to all contexts of his life at least where eating is concerned. He never will be alone with a woman, or if there's alcohol involved, be without his wife in mixed gender crowd. The Vice President of the United States is like a fundamentalist cleric because he's like a fundamentalist cleric. That's not sufficient to prevent you from being elected if you are Christian.

Because he doesn't treat men this way, men have a leg up in building relationships with Pence that can cross professional and social contexts in a way that women do not have access to. It'd be better if he said he'd never be alone with anyone, but I suspect people would regard that as more freakish than the open misogyny that comes from thinking women's sexual allure is so dangerous that it's not safe to be alone with them.

You have no common sense.