Kamala blasts Pence for refusing to meet women alone

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

And that applies to someone who rose to the position of Vice President of the United States how?

See? If he had groped more women, he could have been elected President.

What a missed opportunity.

Well, perhaps we'll see if 'damned your boss' is a good strategy since Kamala couldn't seem to keep her vagina in her pants. The audacity this elected official has to complain about Pence purportedly not meeting with the opposite sex alone is along the lines of Trump complaining about people not being faithful in a relationship. But, hey. If people on this board are cool with damned your bosses by all means throw Kamala your vote. Maybe it's a winning strategy. It worked out very well for her thus far.

- Doc

[_canpakes]

See? If he had groped more women, he could have been elected President.

What a missed opportunity.

Well, perhaps we'll see if 'damned your boss' is a good strategy since Kamala couldn't seem to keep her vagina in her pants. ... Maybe it's a winning strategy. It worked out very well for her thus far.

Well, there you go. You’ve answered your own question. : )

[_EAllusion]

For those that don't know, Doc is lying about Harris's relationship. He's trying to bait people into discussion on it. It is a popular assertion in far right news sources, which is where Doc got it from, but if you google a simple fact check you'll learn that Harris dated Willie Brown in the 1990's, years after he had split with his wife and years before Harris was elected to a public office where Brown could be her "boss." They split before he became mayor and well before she became DA. She didn't sleep with her boss to get ahead. If anything, the fact that she had a relationship with the former mayor probably has hurt her politically more than helped.

What is true is that Harris, while she was a private attorney, did get appointed to some state commissions and she may have been aided by nepotism by having had a relationship with Brown when he was in the state assembly. This is a much different kind of claim and it is really hard to know if that had any impact on her future political career.

The fun thing though his the propriety of Harris has literally nothing to do with whether Pence's behavior is Ok. It's pure ad hominem. And for what it is worth, there are many other much more important issues that Harris sucks on, some of which relate to women's rights.

[_Ceeboo]

You're not gonna find a ton of people arguing the things being argued in this thread compared to the population as a whole. Though, given that it is a board with the word "Mormon" in the title, I suppose you're a little more likely to find such people here.

More nonsense one can add to the buckets of nonsense already available.

First of all, this board is by no means heavily flavored by "Mormon" perspectives. The board's voice is dominated by former Mormons who no longer have religious influences impacting their views/positions. Secondly, you are wrong (imagine that) that this personal choice is cemented in backwards religious thinking. As a matter of fact, among the list of possible reasons that a man might decide to not have one on one business lunches with a female, religion probably isn't found on the first two pages of said list.

This has nothing to do with descrimination (or racism or sexism or oppression or any other thing that you imagine in your head.) It has everything to do with individual choices made by individual people who don't owe you or anyone else an explanation for their personal decision.

For you to sit in judgement and scream descrimination, while unfortunately not surprising from folks who think like you do, is yet another example of your own intolerance for other human beings that have made personal choices that you don't happen to agree with.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I love the double standards. Wasn't Willie Brown still married at the time?

Yes, we dated. It was more than 20 years ago. Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco. I have also helped the careers of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Gavin Newsom, Sen. Dianne Feinstein and a host of other politicians.

Somehow Harris, who was in her late 20s or at most 30 when she dated the 60-year-old married Brown around 1994 did so because he was just so very irresistible. I guess being a mistress is cool according to EA?

But Pence's personal policy of not meeting alone with the opposite sex is something to be scorned. What a goober.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

First of all, this board is by no means heavily flavored by "Mormon" perspectives.

This board is dominated by ex-Mormons some of whom very well may have retained some cultural attitudes of their form religious culture while stopping believing in Mormonism. You see this crop up from time to time. Listen to DT discuss dating some time and his views seem painfully Mormon.

Secondly, you are wrong (imagine that) that this personal choice is cemented in backwards religious thinking.

It stops being just a personal choice when it affects other people.

As a matter of fact, among the list of possible reasons that a man might decide to not have one on one business lunches with a female, religion probably isn't found on the first two pages of said list.

Oh, it's just coincidental that this view is largely found religious fundamentalist cultures that teach attitudes towards gender roles that predispose this behavior?

This has nothing to do with descrimination (or racism or sexism or oppression or any other thing that you imagine in your head.) It has everything to do with individual choices made by individual people who don't owe you or anyone else an explanation for their personal decision.

For you to sit in judgement and scream descrimination, while unfortunately not surprising from folks who think like you do, is yet another example of your own intolerance for other human beings that have made personal choices that you don't happen to agree with.

Your "personal choice" is literally to discriminate against women by refusing to meet with them alone. Defend it if you must, but at least own up to it. If you refused to have lunch with black people, you can describe that as a personal choice and be right about that in a sense, but your behavior is discriminatory and has effects on people other than yourself.

[_EAllusion]

I love the double standards. Wasn't Willie Brown still married at the time?


Somehow Harris, who was in her late 20s or at most 30 when she dated the 60-year-old married Brown around 1994 did so because he was just so very irresistible. I guess being a mistress is cool according to EAllusion?

He had been separated from his wife for over 10 years. It wasn't an affair. So is your actual complaint that Harris dated a much older man? That's a heck of a lot different than claiming she slept with her boss to get ahead. You lied about that, and refuse to even acknowledge it.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Remember when President Obama called Kamala Harris the best looking AG in the country during a private fundraiser? Left-of-center pundits decried his comment as “sexist” and requiring “gender sensitivity training.”

But, here we are as EA ties himself into pretzels to justify sleeping with a married man, decades older than Kamala, and then getting plum political connections in SF as a result.

But, hey, Pence just doesn't want to be alone with a woman. *gasp* One will note EA has yet to produce any evidence any women have been adversely affected by Pence's personal and professional policy, or, as Jersey Girl has pointed out, has yet to produce Pence's personal policy. We could at least start their as this totally-a-Libertarian board member wrings his hands over Pence's decidedly Libertarian approach to personal conduct.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Kamala Harris says that Mike Pence is wrong to discriminate against women, but she slept with a much older man, so what do you think about that?

- Doc - Staunch Democrat.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

As a reminder, Kamala Harris had benefited from Willie (ha) Brown's political patronage. As the speaker of the state Assembly, Brown had named Harris to well-paid posts on the California Medical Assistance Commission and Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board. As mayor of San Francisco in 2003, Brown was supportive of her district attorney campaign although they were no longer dating because why wouldn't he be? He was totally compromised by his sexual relationship with her. What choice did he have? The FBI was investigating allegations of corruption at City Hall, Willie Brown was well-known for his cronyism, and who knows how deeply involved she was with him since she blurred the lines between professional and personal conduct.

But I guess that sexist to point that out, all the while decrying Republican hypocrisy? I think the mote in Democrats' eyes is a little too large on this particular issue.

- Doc