MUELLER REPORT JUST DROPPED

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Exiled wrote: I think the thinking that only a moderate can beat Trump is outdated.

Perhaps you're right but I certainly don't think so. in my opinion, a moderate liberal is the only chance the D's have at winning the election in 2020.
The younger voters are more left leaning and want something like the green new deal and love Ocasio Cortez.

Yes, I know.

The way I see it, America is just as much their country as it is mine so if it turns out that there are enough Americans who think like this, I guess America will soon be going through some very major changes. I hope not but we shall see.
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https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/commen ... ?context=3

Here is your cheat sheet of what we know already:

► Trump was first compromised by the Russians back in the 80s. In 1984, the Russian Mafia began to use Trump real estate to launder money and it continued for decades. In 1987, the Soviet ambassador to the United Nations, Yuri Dubinin, arranged for Trump and his then-wife, Ivana, to enjoy an all-expense-paid trip to Moscow to consider possible business prospects. Only seven weeks after his trip, Trump ran full-page ads in the Boston Globe, the NYT and Washington Post calling for, in effect, the dismantling of the postwar Western foreign policy alliance. The whole Trump/Russian connection started out as laundering money for the Russian mob through Trump's real estate, but evolved into something far bigger.

► In 1984, David Bogatin — a Russian mobster, convicted gasoline bootlegger, and close ally of Semion Mogilevich, a major Russian mob boss — met with Trump in Trump Tower right after it opened. Bogatin bought five condos from Trump at that meeting. Those condos were later seized by the government, which claimed they were used to launder money for the Russian mob. (NY Times, Apr 30, 1992)

► Felix Sater is a Russian-born former mobster, and former managing director of NY real estate conglomerate Bayrock Group LLC located on the 24th floor of Trump Tower. He is a convict who became a govt cooperator for the FBI and other agencies. He grew up with Michael Cohen--Trump's former "fixer" attorney. Cohen's family owned El Caribe, which was a mob hangout for the Russian Mafia in Brooklyn. Cohen had ties to Ukrainian oligarchs through his in-laws and his brother's in-laws. Felix Sater's father had ties to the Russian mob. This goes back more than 30 years.

► Trump was $4 billion in debt after his Atlantic City casinos went bankrupt. No U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in through Bayrock (mentioned above). Bayrock was run by two investors: Tevfik Arif, a Kazakhstan-born former Soviet official who drew on bottomless sources of money from the former Soviet republic; and Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman who had pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia. Bayrock partnered with Trump in 2005 and poured money into the Trump organization under the legal guise of licensing his name and property management.

► Semion Mogilevich was the brains behind the Russian Mafia. Mogilevich operatives have been using Trump real estate for decades to launder money. That means Russian Mafia operatives have been part of his fortune for years, that many of them have owned condos in Trump Towers and other properties, that they were running operations out of Trump's crown jewel. (Mogilevich's role today is unclear).

► One of the most important things that is often overlooked is that the Russia Mafia is part and parcel of Russian intelligence. Russia is a mafia state. that is not a metaphor. Putin is head of the Mafia. So the fact that they have been operating out of the home of the president of the United States is deeply disturbing.

► From Craig Unger's AMA: "Early on, a source told me that all this was tied to Semion Mogilevich, the powerful Russian mobster. I had never even heard of him, but I immediately went to a database that listed the owners of all properties in NY state and looked up all the Trump properties. Every time I found a Russian sounding name, I would Google, and add Mogilevich. When you do investigative reporting, you anticipate drilling a number of dry holes, but almost everyone I googled turned out to be a Russian mobster. Again and again. If you know New York you don't expect Trump Tower to be a high crime neighborhood, but there were far too many Russian mobsters in Trump properties for it to be a coincidence."

► So many Russians bought Trump apartments at his developments in Florida that the area became known as Little Moscow. The developers of two of his hotels were Russians with significant links to the Russian mob. The late leader of that mob in the United States, Vyacheslav Kirillovich Ivankov, was living at Trump Tower.

► According to a Bloomberg investigation (March 16, 2017) into Trump World Tower, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.”

► In July 2008, the height of the recession, Donald Trump sold a mansion in Palm Beach for $95 million to Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian oligarch. Trump had purchased it four years earlier for $41.35 million. The sale price was nearly $54 million more than Trump had paid for the property. Again, this was the height of the recession when all other property had plummeted in value.

► In 2013, Federal agents busted an “ultraexclusive, high-stakes, illegal poker ring” run by Russian gangsters out of Trump Tower. In addition to card games, they operated illegal gambling websites, ran a global sports book and laundered more than $100 million. A condo directly below one owned by Trump reportedly served as HQ for a “sophisticated money-laundering scheme” connected to Semion Mogilevich.

► Rudy Giuliani famously prosecuted the Italian mob while he was a federal prosecutor, yet the Russian mob was allowed to thrive under his tenure in the Southern District and Mayor. And now he's deeply entwined in the business of Trump and Russian oligarchs. Giuiani appointed Semyon Kislin to the NYC Economic Development Council in 1990, and the FBI described Kislin as having ties tot he Russian mob. Of course, it made good political sense for Giuliani to get headlines for smashing the Italian mob.

► A lot of Republicans in Washington are implicated. Boatloads of Russian money went to the GOP--often in legal ways. The NRA got as much as $70M from Russia, then funneled it to the GOP. The Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee lead by McConnel got millions from Leonard Blavatnik. In the 90s, the Russians began sending money to top GOP leaders, like Speaker of the House Tom Delay. Unger's book alleges that most of the GOP leadership has been compromised by RU money.

► At the Cityscape USA’s Bridging US and the Emerging Real Estate Markets Conference held in Manhattan, on September 9, 10, and 11, 2008, Trump Jr. was frank about the tide of Russian money supporting the family business, saying "...And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."

► Eric Trump told James Dodson, a golf reporter, in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Outcomes that show Trump is taking orders from Putin:

► At the end of 2018, Putin and his allies started making a strong push for a resolution that would justify their country’s 1979 invasion of Afghanistan and reverse an 1989 vote backed by Mikhail Gorbachev that condemned it. The Putinists’ goal was to pass the resolution by Feb. There is no one on this side of the Atlantic who thinks the USSR was justified in invading Afghanistan. And out of nowhere, on January 2nd, Trump came out strongly supporting Russia's 1979 invasion of Afghanistan.

► Trump went against American intelligence on North Korean missiles. He told the FBI he didn't believe their intelligence because Putin told him otherwise. "I don't care, I believe Putin"

► Trump met in secret with Putin the G20 summit in November 2018, without note takers. 19 days later, he announced a withdrawal from Syria. As a note, Trump conducted FIVE completely private meetings and conferences with Putin, and has gone to great lengths to prevent literally anyone, even people in his administration, from learning what was discussed.

► Trump refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies.

► He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events. .

► Trump pulled out of the INF treaty with no explanation, which allows Putin to create long-range hypersonic missiles that threaten Europe with impunity. The US already has all the weaponry that the INF would ban the development of, so this offers us literally nothing, while allowing Russia to develop powerful new weapons to challenge our allies.

► And of course, Trump continues to threaten to pull out of NATO, a move so catastrophically stupid, so inconceivably cosmically myopic, I truly can't express the profundity of the idiocy. Suffice to say, pulling out of NATO would be like the only guy in a prison yard with a shotgun just throwing it over the fence for absolutely no reason, suddenly giving the people with crude homemade shivs complete power.

► In summation: Trump was $4 billion in debt and the Russians bailed him out. They own him, and he loves them.

I've reached my 10k limit and URLs are the first thing to go.


Russian bailout article follows:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/ho ... -business/

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Russiagate? What's that? I thought everyone already moved on since there wasn't anything there ....

Anyway, Trump supports war with Iran and the coup plot in Venezuela, so let's support the empire, the flag and our president ....

Meanwhile .... https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2019/03/22/watch-was-rachel-maddow-crying-while-talking-about-the-mueller-report-you-be-the-judge/
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Just in: The jury finds OJ Simpson not guilty. That proves there was nothing to Stabbingate, to begin with!
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Exiled wrote:Russiagate? What's that? I thought everyone already moved on since there wasn't anything there ....

I try to imagine a world in which the public knew absolutely nothing of Trump and his team’s illicit behavior with respect to Russia and what we already know all just dropped in one day. 37 indictments in one day. Hidden footage of him admitting to firing the FBI dierector over the Russia investigation and then bragging about it to the Russian ambassador as taking the heat off the very next day revealed just now. Lie after lie after lie uncovered. Pardons dangled to affect witness testimony. Etc. All just told to us in one day. I can’t do it.
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You think Bach still wants it burned. Lots of folks that have been slandering Mueller for months owe him an apology.
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I think the bar to establish collusion is extraordinarily high, and despite the inevitable hurr hurring we're going to see, the fact remains the President and his increasingly small inner circle weren't exonerated.

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I’m disappointed that Barr chose not to release a summary of Mueller’s factual findings. I approach politician’s summaries of what’s in a report with a ton of skepticism. We’ve seen pretty good examples of misleading summaries during the investigations attempting to discredit the investigation before it was completed. And I have a healthy level of distrust for an administration that looks in the camera and lies on almost a daily basis. So I’m doubting Thomas until I see the report.

I hope the summary is fair and accurate. I would feel better knowing that the AG put the country and not the President first.
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"The second element involved the Russian government's efforts to conduct computer hacking operations designed to gather and disseminate information to influence the election. The Special Council found that the Russian government actors successfully hacked into computers and obtained emails from persons affiliated with the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations, and publicly disseminated those materials through various intermediaries, including WikiLeaks. Based on these activities, the Special Council brought criminal charges against a number of Russian military officers for conspiring to hack into computers in the United States for the purposed of influencing the election. But as noted above, the Special Council did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from the Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign."

Russia was successful in their attempts to influence the election, and made multiple offers to the Trump campaign to provide them with assistance. But since the Special Council did not find anyone in the campaign conspired with Russia in those efforts, there's "no harm, no foul" according to people who don't understand what that paragraph said. There's a ton of WTF in that.

That is on top of the section on obstruction of justice which basically says there is a lot involved with several high bars that would need to be met made all the more difficult due to the subject being the President of the United States that inserts many more unique and legally opaque issues on top of them. The bars may or may not be met by the evidence, so the report neither exonerates nor asserts the President from having engaged in criminal activity in terms of trying to obstruct justice. But AG Barr and DAG Rosenstein concluded there was not sufficient evidence to establish the President committed a crime largely because the President wasn't demonstrated to have been involved in criminal conspiracy with the Russians so there was no underlying crime with which he was interfering.

Wow. Just plain wow.
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