Steyer: Impeachment still possible without Russian collusion

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Bach wrote:
Gray Ghost wrote:Trump supporters don't love their own country (except perhaps those Trump supporters in Russia, Turkey, China and Saudi Arabia)

As opposed to Obama sending pallets of cash to Iran in support of their slogan of “DEATH TO AMERICA”

[Shades, you really should post a sign here: “No Shooting The Fish In The Barrel”]


You mean sending them back their own money? Why do Trumpists love fake news so much?
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There is very little doubt in my mind that Trump fully deserves impeachment and conviction. Despite that, I fear that any impeachment attempt that fails to convict will only backfire and make things even worse than they already are.
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Gunnar wrote:There is very little doubt in my mind that Trump fully deserves impeachment and conviction. Despite that, I fear that any impeachment attempt that fails to convict will only backfire and make things even worse than they already are.

Yeah, I've come around to realize that it's foolish to rely on the GOP to do the right thing. Impeachment would only make their idiotic base even more idiotic (if possible).
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“You don’t even need to be convicted of a crime. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office.”

— Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham


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I’m going ask you what I asked Ceeboo: How will you know when the border is secure? How do you measure that?


Maybe when Democrats are willing to enforce democratically established law regardless of whether or not they agree with it? Maybe when they stop equating enforcing the border with white supremacism? Until then, the border will not be enforced.
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ajax18 wrote:
I’m going ask you what I asked Ceeboo: How will you know when the border is secure? How do you measure that?


Maybe when Democrats are willing to enforce democratically established law regardless of whether or not they agree with it? Maybe when they stop equating enforcing the border with white supremacism? Until then, the border will not be enforced.


In other words, you don’t know. You’d rather bitch about people you’ve decided are your enemies than spend the effort to think about the problem.
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ajax18 wrote:Maybe when Democrats are willing to enforce democratically established law regardless of whether or not they agree with it?

This is pretty rich given what Barr just announced about the ACA.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
ajax18 wrote:Maybe when Democrats are willing to enforce democratically established law regardless of whether or not they agree with it? Maybe when they stop equating enforcing the border with white supremacism? Until then, the border will not be enforced.


In other words, you don’t know. You’d rather bitch about people you’ve decided are your enemies than spend the effort to think about the problem.


LOL He demonstrates much of the same ignorance of the issues surrounding immigration and border security as Ceeboo. The real difference here Ajax between you and Ceeboo is you are the white separatist and he is not. The end result is always avoiding trying to engage thoughtful people like RI that might just result in some learning for all parties.
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