Next time some one wants to tell you evolution isn't real

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honorentheos wrote:SPG, everything in your post is understood and well supported by the evidence in modern evolutionary theory. It's not doing yourself or your family any favors to try and reinvent the sum of human knowledge. If not for yourself, consider the effect this has on your child's upbringing and their ability to compete in the modern world.

I've read a lot. Which sort makes your responses frustrating. I have thousands of books, (read most of them) I have hundreds of digital books, audio books, 100Mbps internet, 10 connected computers, 5 portable devices, a know it all kid, and a rebellious attitude with cult training.

My question isn't because I don't understand what you think, it's because there are questions beyond that.

I understand evolution.

But you step out of time for a moment and consider the absolute nature of something, can output equal more then input?

If you tossed a germ into a petrie dish and then open it an hour later and they were trying to launch rockets, wouldn't you wonder if that germ had the ability the whole time?
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DrW is one of the people on this board who, when he offers thoughts on a topic, I anticipate being educated by his insights. This topic is one in particular where I view his knowledge to be many notches above the lay person's or what one may pick up from a few books and watching a YouTube video. That didn't come about because he posts in a way with which I automatically agree.

You aren't elevating the discussion by speculating on Deepakraties and Sophomoric speculation on the capacity of the mind to be the sum total of all of creation just because we understand that for individuals our minds are interpreting input data to construct a model of the sources of those inputs that allows us to survive and pass on our genes instead of falling off cliffs or thrown in jail. Instead of telling people that you've read all these books, show it in a way that suggests you did more than skim over them looking for fodder for dippity-do esoteric concepts. I'm guessing you also are well read on quantum mechanics and are willing to look at questions others won't consider because of their assumptions about what they know, too. You're not the first person to go around selling a new gospel formed from your own outsized sense of self-importance that arose out of a hallucination. And then chose to interpret the fact you are the only one who believes in the things you supposed saw as evidence everyone else is ignorant rather than the supposed manifestation you had was a product of your own mind let loose with not other grounding in reality than any other dream a person might have while asleep or under the influence of hallucinogenics.

But hey, if you toss a germ into a Petry dish and get the result you speculated on, let me know. There's a lot of money to made from germs that can produce functional rockets in under an hour.
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honorentheos wrote:But hey, if you toss a germ into a Petry dish and get the result you speculated on, let me know. There's a lot of money to made from germs that can produce functional rockets in under an hour.

Hey, I came to my ideas honestly by thinking too much and pondering too much. I got into Quantum Mechanics because people kept saying I sounded like string theory, or that theory. I barely know who Deepak is.

But, your heart warming, "I believe brother DrW spokes the word of God" speech is well received. I always find the recommendation to read more books to be educational. I could also list his comment under "how to call a person an idiot without them knowing."
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SPG wrote: I could also list his comment under "how to call a person an idiot without them knowing."

Come on, SPG - not very charitable comment. You posed two questions at the conclusion of your post upthread. I provided responses. Pretty much everything mentioned in those response has been discussed on this board in the past, and you are welcome to verify everything stated in the appropriate text books.

Anyone who has read thousands of books (or even a dozen mainstream science books on evolution), and ends up posing the questions that you did upthread, must not have been reading for comprehension.
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DrW wrote:Anyone who has read thousands of books (or even a dozen mainstream science books on evolution), and ends up posing the questions that you did upthread, must not have been reading for comprehension.

Oh my, that was brutal.

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SPG wrote: I have thousands of books, (read most of them)

what is the name of the last non-fiction book you've read?
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Gadianton wrote:
SPG wrote: I have thousands of books, (read most of them)

what is the name of the last non-fiction book you've read?

You won't get an answer. I couldn't even get a new name down in telestial.

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SPG wrote:
honorentheos wrote:But hey, if you toss a germ into a Petry dish and get the result you speculated on, let me know. There's a lot of money to made from germs that can produce functional rockets in under an hour.

Hey, I came to my ideas honestly by thinking too much and pondering too much. I got into Quantum Mechanics because people kept saying I sounded like string theory, or that theory. I barely know who Deepak is.

But, your heart warming, "I believe brother DrW spokes the word of God" speech is well received. I always find the recommendation to read more books to be educational. I could also list his comment under "how to call a person an idiot without them knowing."

SPG, had you taken the time to read the link in the OP even, you wouldn't have posted what you did with the most basic background knowledge of evolutionary theory.

Others posited similar questions that you did before genes and DNA were understood, speculating that individuals engaged in behaviors that led to adaptation IN THE INDIVIDUAL that were inheritable. For example, there was the famous debate over the evolution of Giraffes and their distinctive long necks. Jean Lamark speculated before Darwin that transformation was the mechanism by which change occurred as illustrated in this image:

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This theory was wrong, but with the excuse of ignorance. The theory of evolution was built on mutations where individuals with the most advantageous traits were able to outcompete those with less advantageous traits. This ended up being supported by each improvement in our knowledge of genes, DNA, and as DrW pointed out, epigenetics.

For example, in the study linked in the OP, the researchers went through the effort to identify the genetic mutations and genes involved in the findings, such as -

A simpler study could have stopped here, but the team went deeper. Team member Stefan Laurent sequenced a gene called Agouti, which has been linked to fur color, in all 481 of the mice. He found seven mutations that had become more common in the light enclosures, and rarer in the dark ones.

One, known as delta-Ser, seemed to have an especially strong effect. And when another team member, Ricardo Mallarino, engineered that mutation into the Agouti genes of normal lab mice, the rodents grew up with noticeably lighter coats. What had happened?

The Agouti gene is known to affect fur color through the production of a yellow-brown pigment. But to do that, it needs to partner up with other genes. Mallarino found that the delta-Ser mutation disrupts the part of the gene that facilitates those partnerships. It forces Agouti to work alone, which means that it produces much less pigment. This one mutation had lightened the mice’s fur enough that a human eye could see the difference. “And now we know why,” Hoekstra says.


This is why your claim that you've read multiple books and have a solid understanding of the topic rings hollow. Your meandering thoughts on how little we really understand compared to the power of the mind may be something that flips folks like Amore's switch who want to gobble up esoteric, feel good claims about the power of belief. But if you are in that game you should get to know Deepak because he is the apex predator with all the influence and raking in the cash through it. Get your SWOT on and get a business plan.
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Gadianton wrote:
SPG wrote: I have thousands of books, (read most of them)

what is the name of the last non-fiction book you've read?

The actual last non-fiction book I completed was called English grammar boot camp. Not exactly exciting oh, it's something that I feel necessary for myself.

Looking through my books from last year I found half dozen political science books, three books on Lyme's disease, two books on how to be a good dad, 5 books to get my general ham radio license, 3 books on Biocentrism, about 10 fiction book,

But my favorite was, the subtle art of not giving a damn. That was a great book. Probably help me come back here.
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SPG wrote:...3 books on Biocentrism

Ah.
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