Next time some one wants to tell you evolution isn't real

[_SPG]

I do understand what theory means. Basically, that there math works but can't really prove it.

No: your post makes it clear that you do not in fact understand the normal meaning of the word 'theory' in a scientific context.

So they have "proven" evolution? Last I heard, there was several holes, or missing links, or basically "we don't know"s still. Just because you "interpret facts" a certain way doesn't mean your right. Like, recently a pair of 600,000,000 year old fossils were dug up in Antarctica. They look like 6 inch fairy folk, with backbones, heads, legs, etc. This was before anyone other creature was thought to have a backbone.

I wasn't there, but I know there is effort to minimize or invalidate the find. That is the evolution theory. Their method of interpreting these facts is to ignore them, destroy them, discredit the finders, etc. I could interpret them with my own method. Like, "Ok, it's a fact, this is what means." This is exactly I don't buy into some of the "theory." Many of the methods and reasons are still political. Not like Donald Trump political, but like, "we can disagree with Dr Know it All" sort of political.

[_honorentheos]

Someone overdrew from their scare quote account this morning. This ^ may be the most ldsfaqs-like post I've read that wasn't attached to the user name ldsfaqs.

[_Lemmie]

... Like, recently a pair of 600,000,000 year old fossils were dug up in Antarctica. They look like 6 inch fairy folk, with backbones, heads, legs, etc. This was before anyone other creature was thought to have a backbone.

I wasn't there, but I know there is effort to minimize or invalidate the find. That is the evolution theory. Their method of interpreting these facts is to ignore them, destroy them, discredit the finders, etc. I could interpret them with my own method. Like, "Ok, it's a fact, this is what means." This is exactly I don't buy into some of the "theory." ....

No, a Wilmington man did not discover the skeletal remains of a pixie.

But that is what some people on the Internet would have you believe. And it’s far from the first fairy or pixie remains hoax.

The post says, “James Cornan of Wilmington, North Carolina, claims to have discovered the remains of a pixie in a falcon’s nest while exploring the Rocky Mountains in 2017. Scientific tests have concluded the bones are indeed real.”

But there’s no citation for the discovery, no credit on the photo and no trace of a James Cornan in Wilmington.

There’s no news coverage of the discovery, no scientific evidence published. Nothing....

The photo and description also were posted on another website.

The same photo – and others like it – were used on cryptozoological and pseudoscience websites last year in relation to a story about tiny human fossils found in Antarctica. Again, there was no citation or credit for the photos, so it’s unclear where they originated.

A reverse Google image search quickly turns up dozens of websites using the same photo or similar photos used on similar websites. But none are credible scientific or news sources.

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/weird ... rylink=cpy

[_Ceeboo]

Hey SPG

in my opinion, this particular discussion board is full of absolute certain believers in Darwinian evolution. So much so that many who would normally use some measure of healthy skepticism for almost every other topic, they will not use such skepticism regarding this particular topic. In my mind, there are clear reasons for this being the case.

While the current theory of evolution might well be factual, in my mind, it has numerous problems and gaping holes.

The most unfortunate part about it, in my opinion, is that questioning and/or challenging any part of said theory, one is frequently treated to mockery, or by being called ignorant, or by being told to read a book. Considering how fascinating the topic is, I think that's really unfortunate at best.

Among a very long list of serious problems, in my mind, here are a mere few:

Abiogenesis (life spontaneously arising from non living matter)
Evolution of sexual reproduction
Evolution of mitosis

for what it's worth, I do not believe that you will have much success discussing this fascinating topic here. Maybe I'm wrong.
Good luck.

[_canpakes]

... use some measure of healthy skepticism ...

... Evolution of sexual reproduction

Ceeboo, healthy skepticism works in many directions.

Ignoring any unexplained ‘natural’ evolution into a system that relies on sexual reproduction between a male and female organism, why would any God decide that such a system was the fair and/or preferable option, given other circumstances that affect that arrangement?

I’m not being facetious; this is a serious question intended to explore the logic of why this exists.

[_SPG]

Yeah, like I said. Operation Suppression. And, while I already feel that the find was too good to be true, figures like these have been found all over the world. Supposedly, one primitive tribe in South America would wear their bodies as talismans, called them Gods. Some pretty strong evidence has been been found, and hard to dispute. But, they came up with a prenatal dwarfism that really didn't explain anything. DNA was supposedly about a 94% human.

But, because of the nature of the subject, with some trying to suppress and others trying to make it into Alien Gods, it's hard to get reliable information.

So my "theory" (method of interpreting facts (that I don't believe in)) is that MAYBE Earth Life was manipulated by forces we cannot see. That maybe we are not and have not been alone the whole time. And that looking on the inside (self knowledge) is important when trying to understand life.

[_SPG]

... use some measure of healthy skepticism ...

... Evolution of sexual reproduction

Ceeboo, healthy skepticism works in many directions.

Ignoring any unexplained ‘natural’ evolution into a system that relies on sexual reproduction between a male and female organism, why would any God decide that such a system was the fair and/or preferable option, given other circumstances that affect that arrangement?

I’m not being facetious; this is a serious question intended to explore the logic of why this exists.

I'm not really sure what you mean by this. There are many different sexual configurations of different species on the planet. There is a half dozen among humans alone. Are you talking about a Religious God deciding what is fair, the God of Nature, such what actually happens?

[_SteelHead]

For ceboo
Evolution is a demonstrated fact like gravity is a demonstrated fact.
The theory of evolution is our current understanding of how/why the process occurs, just like the theory of gravity is our current understanding of how/why gravity occurs. That gravity or evolution occur is not disputed in science.

That religionists can't wrap their mind around this, is their own problem. Evolution is demonstrable. God did it, isn't.

[Guest]

No, a Wilmington man did not discover the skeletal remains of a pixie.

But that is what some people on the Internet would have you believe. And it’s far from the first fairy or pixie remains hoax.

The post says, “James Cornan of Wilmington, North Carolina, claims to have discovered the remains of a pixie in a falcon’s nest while exploring the Rocky Mountains in 2017. Scientific tests have concluded the bones are indeed real.”

But there’s no citation for the discovery, no credit on the photo and no trace of a James Cornan in Wilmington.

There’s no news coverage of the discovery, no scientific evidence published. Nothing....

The photo and description also were posted on another website.

The same photo – and others like it – were used on cryptozoological and pseudoscience websites last year in relation to a story about tiny human fossils found in Antarctica. Again, there was no citation or credit for the photos, so it’s unclear where they originated.

A reverse Google image search quickly turns up dozens of websites using the same photo or similar photos used on similar websites. But none are credible scientific or news sources.

Read more here: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/weird ... rylink=cpy

Yeah, like I said. Operation Suppression. And, while I already feel that the find was too good to be true, figures like these have been found all over the world. Supposedly, one primitive tribe in South America would wear their bodies as talismans, called them Gods. Some pretty strong evidence has been been found, and hard to dispute. But, they came up with a prenatal dwarfism that really didn't explain anything. DNA was supposedly about a 94% human.

But, because of the nature of the subject, with some trying to suppress and others trying to make it into Alien Gods, it's hard to get reliable information.

So my "theory" (method of interpreting facts (that I don't believe in)) is that MAYBE Earth Life was manipulated by forces we cannot see. That maybe we are not and have not been alone the whole time. And that looking on the inside (self knowledge) is important when trying to understand life.

What is being suppressed by showing that the SAME photo has been used in MULTIPLE hoaxes, including the fairy fossil story YOU posted?

And, while I already feel that the find was too good to be true, figures like these have been found all over the world. Supposedly, one primitive tribe in South America would wear their bodies as talismans, called them Gods. Some pretty strong evidence has been been found, and hard to dispute. But, they came up with a prenatal dwarfism that really didn't explain anything. DNA was supposedly about a 94% human.

So you felt it could be a hoax, but still thought it counted as evidence, because of other 'supposed' cases? Come on, SPG. You really can't be this gullible. Being taken in by every hoax you read about is not evidence of suppression.

But, by all means, present your 'supposed' evidence, because your track record at the moment inspires no confidence in any unsupported story you tell.

[_SPG]

Hey SPG

in my opinion, this particular discussion board is full of absolute certain believers in Darwinian evolution. So much so that many who would normally use some measure of healthy skepticism for almost every other topic, they will not use such skepticism regarding this particular topic. In my mind, there are clear reasons for this being the case.

While the current theory of evolution might well be factual, in my mind, it has numerous problems and gaping holes.

The most unfortunate part about it, in my opinion, is that questioning and/or challenging any part of said theory, one is frequently treated to mockery, or by being called ignorant, or by being told to read a book. Considering how fascinating the topic is, I think that's really unfortunate at best.

Among a very long list of serious problems, in my mind, here are a mere few:

Abiogenesis (life spontaneously arising from non living matter)
Evolution of sexual reproduction
Evolution of mitosis

for what it's worth, I do not believe that you will have much success discussing this fascinating topic here. Maybe I'm wrong.
Good luck.

Thank you for your kind words.
In my own way, I can explain how "abiogenesis" works. Even though it's just my theory.
First, there are laws of nature that exist all the time, everywhere. Like the law of gravity, magnetism, electricity. Even if there isn't anything to act upon, all of these laws are everywhere, all the time. We tend to think of mass as creating the law of gravity, or electrons creating the rules of electricity.

All laws are always present. These laws create motions not only in our space, but space we cannot see. What we consider time, is really just process, and process compared to other processes. Some processes are eternal, always happening, forever and forever. They create life, within life, within life.

in my opinion, this is why God is presented as immortal, because he/she is beyond actual life and lives the mathematical equations/laws that rule the universe. He, she, or it cannot die any more then the law of gravity can die.

Basically, the universe and it's laws are basically God, but they create life wherever they can. If for some reason, the conditions in some cave on Mars were right, life would eventually start without someone dropping a seed, because the very laws of the universe would create it.