Next time some one wants to tell you evolution isn't real

[_Chap]

Please.

You can't talk meaningfully about many of the questions touched on in recent posts without learning some real, hard physics and maths.

Knowing what you don't know is really important. For a start, it saves you wasting a lot of time and energy talking nonsense.

I found meaning the dumbest of words.

Depending on your standards, anything can be a waste of time.

Talking about some topic with confidence on the basis of total ignorance and confusion about the basic concepts necessary for informed discourse is surely a waste of time by anyone's standard, isn't it?

Suppose that someone who didn't know the difference between what is measured by volts and by amperes, and who confused power and energy, and had no idea of the difference between a single phase supply and a three-phase supply, while being totally innocent of the legal standards for domestic electric wiring, was to start rambling on about the way the electricity supplies to his house and workshop were designed and set up.

You think there are some people somewhere who wouldn't find that a waste of time? The only circumstances under which I can imagine that being the case would be if the intent of the speaker was to make people laugh.

But you are being serious - aren't you?

[_DrW]

The only circumstances under which I can imagine that being the case would be if the intent of the speaker was to make people laugh.

Yep. All fun and games until someone like SPG tries to actually apply his imaginary nonsense in the real world. Then you get charlatans like those who one finds now and then here in Florida.

These guys claim to know stuff about which they have no real clue while performing amazing feats derring-do such as unlicensed electrical work that results in a house fire or screwing up the books of an unsuspecting company, eventually costing said company millions of dollars. As a result, some of these geniuses have ended up losing lawsuits that cost them everything they have - or had.

Best advice to SPG: Don't quit your day job.

[_SPG]

Talking about some topic with confidence on the basis of total ignorance and confusion about the basic concepts necessary for informed discourse is surely a waste of time by anyone's standard, isn't it?

Suppose that someone who didn't know the difference between what is measured by volts and by amperes, and who confused power and energy, and had no idea of the difference between a single phase supply and a three-phase supply, while being totally innocent of the legal standards for domestic electric wiring, was to start rambling on about the way the electricity supplies to his house and workshop were designed and set up.

You think there are some people somewhere who wouldn't find that a waste of time? The only circumstances under which I can imagine that being the case would be if the intent of the speaker was to make people laugh.

But you are being serious - aren't you?

I have no problem with people laughing, with me or at me. If some innocent person is trying to explain what he is seeing using words like, "sparky thingy, that buzzes when you touch it, and nearly kills you if you put your tongue on it,. . . . . I can work with that. Just because I can explain the delta Y of the power generation doesn't make someone else who doesn't understand can't experience electricity.

Part of my persona is the "Captain Jack Sparrow of we don't know." Just because you know more then me, (or think you know) doesn't make me assume I'm completely wrong and should give up my pursuits of understanding. Just because I don't have the money, or the time left, to go to some fancy college doesn't mean I have to give up on trying to understand these things.

In spite of what you think, I spend a fair of time reviewing different theories. So while I cannot do the math (even though I'm pretty expert with multi-meters,) I can listen to someone that does and try to grasp what they are talking about. I've watched dozens of quantum/BBT lectures from the Royal Institute of Science in England, and many more, online, TV, or articles. If I spend 10 hours getting even one new insight that subject, it's time well spent.

So, if this is a waste of your time. . . . have another beer, chill. Einstein was a failure in so many aspects of his life, he wasn't a good student, a good teacher, a good husband, or a good patient clerk. But, he had spent times imagining himself running along side light in his youth. It threw him into a different class of thinking that few could compete with, because they were not so imaginative. I don't think he was much smarter then his fellows, just thought differently.

What you don't understand, one of the days, your great-grand kids will be studying BBT as taught by SPG. Because I'm smart? No, because I was willing to look at it different, more subtle aspects of existence.

[_Chap]

Just because I don't have the money, or the time left, to go to some fancy college doesn't mean I have to give up on trying to understand these things.

No problem. The most important things in my life (and those on which my career has been based) I learned on my own, by reading the right books.

I've watched dozens of quantum/BBT lectures from the Royal Institute of Science in England,

You mean the Royal Institution? Yup, all good stuff. But when you see those lectures, don't you really want to learn the stuff for real? It's all in books. You don't have to be satisfied with what you see on TV, however good.

What you don't understand, one of the days, your great-grand kids will be studying BBT as taught by SPG. Because I'm smart? No, because I was willing to look at it different, more subtle aspects of existence.

No, sorry. That isn't going to happen. You can't even ask the questions needed to make advances in fundamental science without first acquiring the necessary tools. And if only you would make a start on that, even a beginning would give you much more satisfaction than you will ever get by fantasising like this.

[_schreech]

What you don't understand, one of the days, your great-grand kids will be studying BBT as taught by SPG. Because I'm smart? No, because I was willing to look at it different, more subtle aspects of existence.

I promise you this will never, ever happen. Ever. You are delusional.

[_SPG]

No, sorry. That isn't going to happen. You can't even ask the questions needed to make advances in fundamental science without first acquiring the necessary tools. And if only you would make a start on that, even a beginning would give you much more satisfaction than you will ever get by fantasising like this.

You guys are serious dream killers. And sure, I am making fun. But, my point in this was that's it's not always the learned that see the truth of things. The institutes would have kicked Einstein to the curb if not for a couple of chance events. Please, don't worry that I'm wasting my time. I've got nothing more important than to dazzle you with my BS.

[_Chap]

But, my point in this was that's it's not always the learned that see the truth of things. The institutes would have kicked Einstein to the curb if not for a couple of chance events.

"Not always the learned"?? Who are you talking about?

Albert Einstein had a passionate interest in physics and mathematics from an early age, and taught himself a great deal of both from books, just as I am urging you to do, and as you would do if your interest in these matters was real, rather than simply an excuse to pretend to be a more interesting person than you are (at the moment, at least - you could be a REALLY interesting person if only you were prepared to d the necessary work):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ei ... _education

When the family moved to Pavia, Einstein, then 15, stayed in Munich to finish his studies at the Luitpold Gymnasium. His father intended for him to pursue electrical engineering, but Einstein clashed with authorities and resented the school's regimen and teaching method. He later wrote that the spirit of learning and creative thought was lost in strict rote learning. At the end of December 1894, he travelled to Italy to join his family in Pavia, convincing the school to let him go by using a doctor's note.[19] During his time in Italy he wrote a short essay with the title "On the Investigation of the State of the Ether in a Magnetic Field".

The twelve year old Einstein taught himself algebra and Euclidean geometry over a single summer. Einstein also independently discovered his own original proof of the Pythagorean theorem at age 12.[22] A family tutor Max Talmud says that after he had given the 12 year old Einstein a geometry textbook, after a short time "[Einstein] had worked through the whole book. He thereupon devoted himself to higher mathematics... Soon the flight of his mathematical genius was so high I could not follow."[23] His passion for geometry and algebra led the twelve year old to become convinced that nature could be understood as a "mathematical structure".[23] Einstein started teaching himself calculus at 12, and as a 14 year old he says he had "mastered integral and differential calculus".

in 1905 he completed his PhD with the University of Zurich, and in that same year he published four major scientific papers, including his first one on relativity-related topics.

The institutes would have kicked Einstein to the curb if not for a couple of chance events.

By 1911, most theoretical physicists had accepted relativity, and in 1912 Einstein had been recommended for a Nobel prize. You don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

[_Gunnar]

The only circumstances under which I can imagine that being the case would be if the intent of the speaker was to make people laugh.

Yep. All fun and games until someone like SPG tries to actually apply his imaginary nonsense in the real world. Then you get charlatans like those who one finds now and then here in Florida.

These guys claim to know stuff about which they have no real clue while performing amazing feats derring-do such as unlicensed electrical work that results in a house fire or screwing up the books of an unsuspecting company, eventually costing said company millions of dollars. As a result, some of these geniuses have ended up losing lawsuits that cost them everything they have - or had.

Best advice to SPG: Don't quit your day job.

You remind me of some of my fellow Americans I knew in Spain when I was stationed there in the Air Force who didn't realize they couldn't just plug in their American made appliances into Spanish wall outlets without using a transformer to convert 220 volt 50 hertz Spanish current to standard American 110/120 volt current. They thought that all they needed was just an adapter plug to match American style plugs to European style outlets. One woman I talked to thought electricity was electricity everywhere, and had no clue that there could be different types of electricity, until she plugged in her expensive American made stereo and burned it out and nearly set her residence on fire. Her husband was very unhappy with her for not bothering to read the warnings about that provided by the orientation literature provided to all newly stationed American personnel.

[_SPG]

The institutes would have kicked Einstein to the curb if not for a couple of chance events.

By 1911, most theoretical physicists had accepted relativity, and in 1912 Einstein had been recommended for a Nobel prize. You don't know what you are talking about, as usual.

That after a number of chance things, like marrying the wife he abandoned. She probably did most of the hard work him. He had some great ideas, but he was refused numerous times to appointments he thought he deserved.

Don't get me wrong, he was accredited with numerous discoveries that I like. But people who have studied his life, think that maybe his wife did a lot of the work.

He was sent home as "unteachable" because he was careless and lazy.

[_Chap]

It is always a bad sign when someone who gets off on amateur and ignorant vaporings about science starts posting stuff about Einstein.

It usually goes something like 'Hey! People thought Einstein was wrong/foolish/ignorant, but who's laughing now?'. Alas, it by no means follows that if people say your opinions about science are not worth a pitcher of warm spit, that shows you may well be a second Einstein.

On the matter of the first Mrs Einstein's possible contributions to his early work, a serious discussion may be found here:

Did Mileva Marić assist Einstein in writing his 1905 path breaking papers?