Republican Voters Must Be Embarrassed

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

God, only Kevin [deleted] Graham and E 'alternate reality' A could be so daft to miss the obvious points being typed out.

Oh. Wait. They don't actually read because they're objectively retarded.

- Doc

[_Kevin Graham]

You just [deleted]. Serious?

Apparently, [deleted]. I think it just makes you a little piece of crap.

“F”, you probably think your dumb comment is attacking me but in reality you're just [deleted]. You've officially moved into Ajax category in terms of character.

[_Kevin Graham]

Speaking of being objectively retarded when it comes to reading...

I was thinking about it today, and it occurs to me that I've never actually met a big Trump fan that made it known to me that he was a big fan. I've met numerous people willing to make excuses for him, but nobody who says how great they think he is.

I don't have a lot of contact with dumb people in real life, given what I do, so any Trump voters I meet cite Hillary as the reason they voted that way, not because they liked Trump. They'll readily admit he's "not a good man," but claim to have considered him the lesser of two evils they were confronting in 2016.

I can't help a suspicion, however, that the way they talk to me about Trump is different than how they talk about him to other Republican voters. I get shadows of the weaker talking points from them which sound like they're coming from the right-wing-nut-o-sphere, like they are moderating their opinion given they know I'm aware of Trump's (lack of) character.

Anyone else suspect Republicans downplay their love of Trump when talking to normal (not in the cult) people? Frankly, it's at least good to imagine some people recognize they should feel shame for supporting such a despot.

Yes, obviously SOME people do feel shame.

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Does all this mean Trump can't win in 2020? Of course not. But that wasn't the point of the OP.

There were many notable Republicans who spurned Trump during his campaign and left the Republican party (i.e. George Will, Peter Wehner, Joe Scarborough, Chris Gagin, Tom Nichols, Steve Schmidt) and there are likely to be more who feel betrayed and embarrassed by his Presidency in 2020. I mean how could there not be? The man has kidnapped children for God's sake. He has something like two-three dozen former employees who quit because they couldn't take it anymore

[_subgenius]

economy is doing great, wars are being ended, criminal justice reform, judges being appointed, no collusion, liberals being exposed, China fentanyl, intelligent deregulation, immigration, travel bans upheld,....

it's called winning, and that's why the OP doesn't recognize it.

[_subgenius]

Clearly Doc is about to get doxxed... because that makes good liberal sense to that guy.

[_canpakes]

His Base doesn’t care that he wasted the first two years. They don’t care if anything actually gets built, or if anything improves. They don’t care if all that he ever actually does is stay holed up in the White House watching Fox all day while letting ‘the swamp’ (a.k.a. Congress) implement whatever agenda that the Heritage Society and Sean Hannity think we should all be subject to. All that matters is that Trump occasionally pokes his head out and puts on a show for them, and they will eagerly swallow the BS and line up to enthusiastically vote for him.

These are folks with a rather huge, collective chip on their shoulder, and they’re looking to even the score. Not that they know what that really means anyway nor care to aim their ire at the correct target if they did; they just want to pop their guns off at anything not part of their perceived ingroup.

Canpakes,

I'm continually astonished at how people project onto Trump supporters their own narratives when in reality Trump supporters straight up tell us why they love him.

For example, subgenius proudly proclaimed Trump was instrumental in criminal justice reform, a matter he took great pride in. THAT is just one reason that many Trump supporters here and across the Internet have given as to why they love him.

Doc -

Just saw this, and thought I'd make a quick comment on this part of your response, with more to follow later.

I can't vouch for subs's pride in Trump's pride regarding criminal justice reform, but this isn't really anything that Trump personally invested any actual effort into in bringing about. This has been in the works for a while now and while passage after so long gives subs an excuse to praise Trump for something that he would otherwise have no concern over, it comes at the expense of a host of people and efforts that predate and eclipse him. At the end of those efforts, all Trump needed to do was stand still and not veto the legislation. He managed to do that much.

To that point, below is an excerpt from an article that speaks to the larger story that neither subs nor Trump would care to present -

In a speech to law-enforcement officers on Long Island, in 2017, President Trump offered advice about how arrestees should be treated. “When you see these thugs being thrown into the back of a paddy wagon—you just see them thrown in, rough—I said, ‘Please don’t be too nice,’ ” he said. “When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head—and they’ve just killed somebody—don’t hit their head? I said you can take the hand away, O.K.?”

Nearly a year and a half later, Trump—who never recanted his support for executing the now-exonerated Central Park Five—is backing one of the most significant criminal-justice-reform bills in decades, a bipartisan effort called the First Step Act, which is expected to come to a vote in the Senate this week. “We’re all better off when former inmates can receive and reënter society as law-abiding, productive citizens,” Trump said in remarks endorsing the bill last month. “And, thanks to our booming economy, they now have a chance at more opportunities than they’ve ever had before.”

That the bill has advanced this far under the Trump Administration reflects the purchase criminal-justice reform has gained not only among Democrats but also among conservative Republicans. The bill’s list of supporters includes Ted Cruz and Kirsten Gillibrand, the Koch brothers and the American Civil Liberties Union. The significant buy-in from the right is the culmination of years of effort from a cadre of libertarian-leaning conservatives, like the anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist, and evangelicals, such as Chuck Colson, the founder of the Christian nonprofit organization Prison Fellowship, who have worked to convince others that the prison system has become too costly, punitive, and government-empowering.

Most of their successes have come at the state level, in places like Georgia and Texas, where Republicans have worked to reduce the incarceration of nonviolent offenders and boost anti-recidivism efforts. In Georgia, the incarceration rate for black males has declined by thirty per cent over the past eight years, and recidivism rates for those who complete vocational training or a G.E.D. while imprisoned have also dropped sharply—which the outgoing Republican governor Nathan Deal notes happened under his tenure.

In a piece for National Review, published in late November, Senator Mike Lee, a Republican from Utah and one of the First Step Act’s leading advocates, neatly made the conservative case for the bill and for federal-level criminal-justice reform. “Unlike some reformers, I don’t think our justice system is fundamentally broken, unjust, or corrupt,” Lee wrote. “I know from experience that dangerous criminals exist—individuals who are incapable of or uninterested in rehabilitation and change. . . . But my time as a prosecutor also tells me that not every criminal is dangerous or incapable of living a productive life,” he wrote. “My faith as a Christian teaches me that many people are capable of redemption. And my instincts as a conservative make me believe that the government can be reformed to work better.”

The act’s major reforms include making the 2010 Fair Sentencing Act’s reduction in the disparities between sentences for crack and powdered cocaine retroactive, granting judges more freedom from mandatory-minimum sentences, and expanding the time credits that prisoners can earn and put toward reducing their sentences or qualifying for release into transitional programs. The bill’s supporters estimate that as many as four thousand prisoners could immediately qualify for early release once the bill takes effect.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-des ... nder-trump

Anyhow, back to adorable rugrats. : )

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

economy is doing great, wars are being ended, criminal justice reform, judges being appointed, no collusion, liberals being exposed, China fentanyl, intelligent deregulation, immigration, travel bans upheld,....

it's called winning, and that's why the OP doesn't recognize it.

You and I obviously disagree on many things, but I think we can agree Liberals are totally blind to their own biases which played a huge role in Trump's win, and will probably contribute to a re-election if they continue on their psychopathic policies of identity politics based on power structures and their love affair with hard socialist economic ideas.

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I just finished watching Michael Moore's film Farenheit 11/9 and it was an excellent reminder why and how Liberals screwed up the election, and is a good reality check that we need to unify people through good economic policies rather than dividing the electorate through blame game politics. If this board is any indicator, and I think it is, it's unlikely Liberals will do this because they're absolutely convinced of their own superiorty, to the point of religious fervor, and their identity politics has become so corrosive to the soul that it's essentially mental illness at this point. They're incapable of serious introspection and have become a political cult that demands strict obedience to their order. It's incredibly dangerous.

- Doc

[_Some Schmo]

There were many notable Republicans who spurned Trump during his campaign and left the Republican party (i.e. George Will, Peter Wehner, Joe Scarborough, Chris Gagin, Tom Nichols, Steve Schmidt) and there are likely to be more who feel betrayed and embarrassed by his Presidency in 2020. I mean how could there not be? The man has kidnapped children for God's sake. He has something like two-three dozen former employees who quit because they couldn't take it anymore

Republican support for Trump is exceptionally high, but that's because people identifying as Republican is at an all-time low. Seeing all the defections is another gratifying thing.

This thread is not about the dumb people who think Trump's doing a fantastic job (the ajax's of the world). I'm sure they're out there, but for some reason, don't talk that way to me (or they just aren't in my circle). It's about the people who know Trump's terrible and tone down their enthusiasm to avoid looking duped like all the regular GOP lemmings, but still support him because judges/abortion.

[_ajax18]

Anyone else suspect Republicans downplay their love of Trump when talking to normal (not in the cult) people? Frankly, it's at least good to imagine some people recognize they should feel shame for supporting such a despot.

Holding conservative beliefs is very dangerous in the workplace and in the public square unless you're the boss as I am now. Politics were normally not allowed when I was an underling unless of course you're a liberal. I don't normally disclose my love and devotion to Trump any sooner than I would disclose my disdain for welfare fraud and the rise of disability. I post anonymously for a reason. But yeah, the silent majority woke up by the time the 2016 election came.

As one patient put it to me, "You're worrrying over nothing. All of the white men who sat out of elections previously are going to come out of the woods and kick her (Hillary) ass!

[_Some Schmo]

Holding conservative beliefs is very dangerous in the workplace...

There you go again, confusing conservatism with racism.