Republican Voters Must Be Embarrassed

[_EAllusion]

But yeah, the silent majority woke up by the time the 2016 election came.

Trump lost the popular vote by around 3 million while getting around 46% of the vote. How are you defining “majority” here?

It is one thing to say that Trump won due to American’s arcane presidential election system that does not work at all like intended, but thems the rules. It’s another to falsely proclaim his victory was a representation of majority of voters rising up to support him.

[_ajax18]

There you go again, confusing conservatism with racism.

Right, but having and enforcing a border is racist in your view as well as in the view of most liberals and latinos. Even if people don't retaliate against you because of party affiliation or ideology right away, it will happen down the road. It makes sense that those who you speak with are guarded and treading lightly. It's a similar reason as to why the polls were so wrong in the 2016 election. Nobody would admit to voting for a politically incorrect candidate out of fear of being branded a racist and having it seriously effect their immediate economic interests. But in their mind they know that the pendulum has swung to far and we have to push back or be forever held captive.

What good does it do for me to tell you that I love Trump's policies and think the changes he would implement are sorely needed, especially if were your colleague or employee, or even your boss?

[_Kevin Graham]

But yeah, the silent majority woke up by the time the 2016 election came.

Trump lost the popular vote by around 3 million while getting around 46% of the vote. How are you defining “majority” here?

And two years later he got hammered with the Blue Wave. If Trump were half as popular as these idiots like to pretend, and if everything is all well in good like these idiots like to pretend, then how wasn't it not a Red wave instead of a Blue one?

Most Americans cannot stand Trump, especially the more educated people. The fact that the economy is doing well, most people understand is in spite of Trump, not because of him. Most people aren't old with dementia and actually remember the economy turning around with a vengeance during Obama's second term.

[_EAllusion]

There you go again, confusing conservatism with racism.

Right, but having and enforcing a border is racist in your view as well as in the view of most liberals and latinos. Even if people don't retaliate against you because of party affiliation or ideology right away, it will happen down the road. It makes sense that those who you speak with are guarded and treading lightly. It's a similar reason as to why the polls were so wrong in the 2016 election. Nobody would admit to voting for a politically incorrect candidate out of fear of being branded a racist and having it seriously effect their immediate economic interests. But in their mind they know that the pendulum has swung to far and we have to push back or be forever held captive.

What good does it do for me to tell you that I love Trump's policies and think the changes he would implement are sorely needed, especially if were your colleague or employee, or even your boss?

The polls were very accurate in 2016. They got the popular vote total within around 1.5 points in aggregate. That’s on the low end of typical polling errors in a presidential election and lower than the error in the Obama Romeney election where Obama’s margin of victory was about 2 points higher than the average of polls.

You are confusing a popular perception of likelihood of winning with what the final poll margins were showing.

[_EAllusion]

Right, but having and enforcing a border is racist in your view as well as in the view of most liberals and latinos.

You've repeated this strawman dozens of times. I've seen it corrected many times only for you to slink away and repeat it again. I believe you are being willfully dishonest with this.

Almost no one opposes having and enforcing borders. Not a single person you have interacted with on this board, as best I can tell, opposes having and enforcing a border. Support for this spans the political spectrum and no one of any significance argues that wanting a border equates to racism. Even people who would prefer much greater freedom of movement than US immigration policy currently allows tend to want the US to have an enforceable border.

But you don't really mean, "having and enforcing a border." What you mean is, "supporting specific border enforcement policies I like" and equating opposition to those policies as tantamount to not wanting border enforcement. The logic in your head seems to be, "anything short of polices I like are ineffectual, so failure to support them is effectively the same as not caring about border enforcement at all." You are constitutionally incapable of acknowledging others' cost/benefit reasoning. It's not hard to imagine a world in which you are arguing that failure to gun down migrants is "not wanting a border."

So, armed with this broken logic, all of a sudden, if someone says that separating young children from their families and putting them in concentration camps is bad, you sashay on in and proclaim them as "not wanting a border." It is true that support for specific kinds of border enforcement policies are closely associated with xenophobia and/or racism. And no doubt you've heard that charge before aimed at specific policies you want. But rather than address an actual argument, you prefer to retreat in the strawman that people seriously think wanting a border is racist. Basically no one thinks that Ajax.

People think you're a racist because you are literal Storm Fronter who has expressed racist views on a wide array of subjects. It's not because you "want a border."

[_Some Schmo]

There you go again, confusing conservatism with racism.

Right, but having and enforcing a border is racist in your view as well as in the view of most liberals and latinos.

It's become quite clear you haven't a clue what anyone outside your noxious bubble thinks, so this comment can be deposited where it belongs.

I'm not suggesting you're a racist because you "want to enforce the border" (although it's a wonder I've never heard you scream about the Canadian border... what could possibly be the difference?) I'm suggesting you're a racist because of everything you've written, but that you prefer to call it "conservative" despite most of what you say being the antithesis of conservative thought. The fact that you want bigger government to "do more" for the border demonstrates this fact.

What good does it do for me to tell you that I love Trump's policies and think the changes he would implement are sorely needed, especially if were your colleague or employee, or even your boss?

Right. Why stand up for what you believe? Why talk about anything at all, in fact, when it's easier to just assume the worst of people with whom you disagree? That's way less thinking, right ajax? Heaven forbid someone might cause you to rethink your positions.

[_Brackite]

As one patient put it to me, "You're worrrying over nothing. All of the white men who sat out of elections previously are going to come out of the woods and kick her (Hillary) ass!

That is mostly what happened in a couple of battleground States. In Florida, Hillary did better among Hispanic voters than Obama and won in Miami-Dade County by a larger margin than him. But Trump did much better among Florida white voters than McCain and Romney. That is the main reason why Trump won Florida over Hillary. Two years later in Florida, Senator Nelson did better among white voters than Hillary and won five more Florida counties than her. But Nelson ended up barely losing to Rick Scott by not doing as well as Hillary in Miami-Dade County and due to a very bad ballot design in Broward County. Florida Democrats forgot their lesson from the 2000 Presidential election.

During the 2018 midterms, all the three States that delivered Trump his victory in 2016 (Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin), the Democrats won the senate and governor’s races. (Trump won all three of these three states by less than one percentage point.) If the Democratic Presidential primaries don't get too contentious and there is not a strong third-party candidate, the Democrats should be able to take back the White House in 2020.

[_ajax18]

Schmo very few people will change their political beliefs. To openly express political beliefs in public is far more likely to create lifelong enemies than to have someone be conviced of your argument or so called objective data (there is no such thing).

Our politics are way worse than nasty in this country. I think a duel or a challenge to a single mortal combat would be more civilized than what we do to each other now in our quest to force our moral beliefs upon one b.c another.

[_subgenius]

Trump lost the popular vote by around 3 million while getting around 46% of the vote. How are you defining “majority” here?

I don't think he means "majority " in the sense of the population of California being able to ignorantly swing an election, but rather, it seems to be in the sense of the voters that showed up to the polls in key electoral college states within which the Clinton campaign failed to realize an effective and successful campaign strategy.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Trump lost the popular vote by around 3 million while getting around 46% of the vote. How are you defining “majority” here?

I don't think he means "majority " in the sense of the population of California being able to ignorantly swing an election, but rather, it seems to be in the sense of the voters that showed up to the polls in key electoral college states within which the Clinton campaign failed to realize an effective and successful campaign strategy.

The idiots on this board can't seem to grasp the Democratic electorate on Twitter isn't the Democratic electorate. Unfortunately, these looney tune far Leftists seem hellbent on pushing the 'Overton Window' so far to the left that regular Democrats these days are going to be tomorrow's racists, sexists, and homophobes.

Oh. Wait.

Enjoy 2020, subgenius. They earned it for you.

- Doc