Candace Owens Congressional Testimony (New PragerU video)

[_canpakes]

Democrats stole the black vote, in the continued effort to dominate and control them, continued from the slave days.

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They have used the black vote ever since to enslave them.

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So they broke their families and gave them benefits to keep them reliant on government.

SPG, can you please explain how this works? Why do you believe that black folks are mindless automatons that are unable to choose their own actions, remaining controlled by mysterious Democratic Party operatives who force them to vote Democratic and force them to "remain reliant on government"?

And I assume that you feel this way about all blacks? None are able to exhibit control over their lives or political preferences, and all are forced to be on welfare?

[_canpakes]

Democrats think that giving hand outs to people, that they are helping. Candace, myself, and others like us think this is a major part of the problem. "Healing comes from within." This is a key to life. By doing for people something that they could do themselves, we weaken them, tear down their self-esteem.

And here we have the opinion that offering help has forced all blacks to accept handouts and abandon their sense of self-esteem. Because blacks have no self control, apparently, and only want to take?

Something stinks and sounds a bit racist here, but perhaps it isn't what you think it is.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Democrats stole the black vote, in the continued effort to dominate and control them, continued from the slave days.

...

They have used the black vote ever since to enslave them.

...

So they broke their families and gave them benefits to keep them reliant on government.

SPG, can you please explain how this works? Why do you believe that black folks are mindless automatons that are unable to choose their own actions, remaining controlled by mysterious Democratic Party operatives who force them to vote Democratic and force them to "remain reliant on government"?

And I assume that you feel this way about all blacks? None are able to exhibit control over their lives or political preferences, and all are forced to be on welfare?

Why do people insist on creating an argument that wasn't made and then arguing against themselves? It's the oddest thing. Canpakes, it's pretty clear SPG thinks the Democrats induce the Black vote by 'hooking' them on welfare, so that they're dependent on the Democrats to get handouts. He, I believe, feels that it's a transactional relationship, but ultimately it enslaves Black into a perpetual cycle of poverty.

According to the 2012 census:

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-r ... 15-97.html

The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.

Hispanics at 36.4 percent

Asians or Pacific Islanders at 17.8 percent

Non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.

Nearly 42% of a population using welfare is an astonishing figure, and despite Leftists constant mewing about institutional racism being the cause, SPG probably thinks welfare creates a culture of poverty and entitlement.

He's free to clarify, of course, but let's not do the EA thing and just invent crap out of whole cloth and then declare victory when he successfully argues against himself.

- Doc

[_EAllusion]

Don't. Just don't.

You're making it very clear that you are unwilling to be persuaded by evidence here, but I can't stress enough that linked a very detailed rebuttal to the general kind of arguments you are endorsing here and specific comments Candace Owens has said. It is to a historian with expertise in this area that has received a lot of praise from fellow historians for his public outreach. He's probably most famous at this point for napalming Dinesh D'Souza over and over for his "Democrats are the real racists" fake history. But I'm not asking you to take his arguments on his authority alone, as what makes him so good is that he supports his points with copious references to the primary sources. I could simply cut and paste his points here and it would suffice, but that seems like a lot of work when you have already organized threads just sitting there in the link.

If you want to stick your fingers in your ears and go "la-la-la" that's your prerogative, but Owens is who is said she is, and sadly that is obvious if you aren't deep in whatever hole you've dug yourself into.

[_canpakes]

Why do people insist on creating an argument that wasn't made and then arguing against themselves?

This is his argument. Not mine. I believe that he needs to explain how it functions.

As he said:

Democrats stole the black vote, in the continued effort to dominate and control them, continued from the slave days.

...

They have used the black vote ever since to enslave them.

...

So they broke their families and gave them benefits to keep them reliant on government.

How do these unnamed Democratic Party operatives do those things?

It's the oddest thing. Canpakes, it's pretty clear SPG thinks the Democrats induce the Black vote by 'hooking' them on welfare, so that they're dependent on the Democrats to get handouts.

1. How did they qualify for welfare in the first place?
2. How do those wiley Democrats keep them from earning enough to leave the system?
3. How do Democrats use mind-control to force blacks into this addictive cycle of wanting free money above any other option?

Seriously, lets explore the issue.

(stats from source)
The black population: At 41.6 percent, blacks were more likely to participate in government assistance programs in an average month.

Hispanics at 36.4 percent

Asians or Pacific Islanders at 17.8 percent

Non-Hispanic whites at 13.2 percent.

Nearly 42% of a population using welfare is an astonishing figure, and despite Leftists constant mewing about institutional racism being the cause, SPG probably thinks welfare creates a culture of poverty and entitlement.

1. Are Democrats making welfare unavailable to Asians, Pacific Islanders, Hispanics or non-Hispanic whites? Or setting a different qualifying income level for those groups?
2. If those groups have members within them that have used government assistance, how are they able to escape the machinations of wiley Democrats and subsequently able to free themselves from the evil mind controlling forces that hold blacks in thrall to continued dependence upon welfare?

He's free to clarify, of course, but let's not do the EA thing and just invent crap out of whole cloth and then declare victory when he successfully argues against himself.

On the contrary, I don't seem to be inventing anything. I am questioning a rather provocative claim that seems to imply some grave process of control that remains unexplained outside of merely claiming it exists, perhaps strictly for partisan political reasons.

[_Gunnar]

Nearly 42% of a population using welfare is an astonishing figure, and despite Leftists constant mewing about institutional racism being the cause, SPG probably thinks welfare creates a culture of poverty and entitlement.

- Doc

If SPG does buy into that nonsense, he is irrational, and if you agree with him, so are you. Frankly, Doc, though you have produced posts and insights in the past that I admired and resonated with, lately your posts seem to have taken a turn towards increasing irrationality reminiscent of some of subgenius and Ajax's worst. I am seriously considering resigning from your fan club!

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Gunnar. Yes yes, I know. I've committed the unlardonable sin of looking at something objectively, and even worse, I used facts.

Gunnar, if you can't see Leftist shaming tactics for what they are we're at an impasse. There are a few posters on this board that have gotten away with virulent hate, insane levels of racism, sexism, and bigotry, all approved because people who share their political leanings sort of look the other way because of tribalism. It's so partisan that I'm not sure it even registers with them. We have a poster that is genuinely mentally unstable. Straight up diagnosable, and yet because his frothing gibberish and paranoia lands on the Left side of the spectrum, it's tacitly approved.

That dude needs therapy and medication and no one here has the moral character to say it. It's sad.

Anyway. It isn't going to happen. And I suggest you examine your own motivations when unassailable facts are presented to you, and you get offended by them. That's an incredibly dangerous place to be, headspace wise.

- Doc

[_Gunnar]

As I see it, doc, the virulent hate, racism and bigotry is coming almost exclusively from the hard right, conservative Trump supporters on this board, and they deserve every bit of the shame that is heaped upon them!

[_subgenius]

As I see it, doc, the virulent hate, racism and bigotry is coming almost exclusively from the hard right, ...

well, this clearly disqualifies your posts as being remotely informed.

[_Kevin Graham]

As I see it, doc, the virulent hate, racism and bigotry is coming almost exclusively from the hard right, ...

well, this clearly disqualifies your posts as being remotely informed.

It has been backed up with hard evidence while you and your idiotic ilk have been talking about Bill Ayers.

Still waiting for a single example of someone being murdered by a liberal activist over the past ten years.