Candace Owens Congressional Testimony (New PragerU video)

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Did you grow up believing that the LDS church in Salt Lake was wrong to extend the priesthood to all people? Was your dad the leader of one of those groups that split off over that? Or did it go back further to some other issue like one of the statehood/polygamy compromise splinter groups?

My understanding that was that the Masons had a very powerful influence on Mormonism, and were strongly about being "chosen race."

My father left the church in the 1920's, but the purity of priesthood remained. I read that Joseph Smith gave the priesthood to a black man named, Ike. Those around Joseph were very upset and pressured him into "taking it back."

I see Joseph Smith as someone with malice and didn't have a problem with giving priesthood to blacks or women, but it probably would have destroyed the church.

Myself, yeah, in my teens I thought we were special, and the things that lead on a different path were more about our beliefs of women than race. I've never treated anyone poorly because of their race, that I can think of. I mean, I am an asshole, but it wasn't based on race.

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... I never implied that blacks cannot think for themselves ...

Sure you did. Here you go:

Democrats stole the black vote, in the continued effort to dominate and control them, continued from the slave days. ...

They have used the black vote ever since to enslave them. ...

So they broke their families and gave them benefits to keep them reliant on government.

These are your statements. If you can’t explain the mechanism behind these claims, then you’re merely repeating racist tropes.

Or can you think for yourself past repetition of racist and partisan talking points provided for you by grifters with an agenda?

So. . . my pointing out that Democrats are deceptive and mean. . . . was saying blacks cannot think for themselves.

I think you and I have different ideas about mind control.

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Why doesn't this "ugly trap" also take over other racial groups? Why doesn't the Democartic vortex of dependency via SNAP benefits consume whites? Why does this thesis explain the 90ish+ percent of African-American voters who vote Democrat when less than half use any welfare benefits and even fewer are substantially reliant on them? Why doesn't this phenomenon apply to other forms of government benefit the Democrats are much more apt to protect and extend, such as Medicare or Social Security, where the majority of beneficiaries are Republican?

When a group of people feel "oppressed" by a larger group of people, they tend to band together and think and act in unison. The more oppression they feel, the more likely they are to act as one.

Democrats hired black preaches tell preach their message. Blacks are in general, I think, perhaps more spiritual or religious then the average American. (no evidence.) When they moved, they did it all together. The move back, is more about individual awareness.

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Democrats hired black preaches tell preach their message.

Some actual evidence for that, perhaps?

How can you be sure it wasn't really the Lizard People who hired them?

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Did you grow up believing that the LDS church in Salt Lake was wrong to extend the priesthood to all people? Was your dad the leader of one of those groups that split off over that? Or did it go back further to some other issue like one of the statehood/polygamy compromise splinter groups?

....Myself, yeah, in my teens I thought we were special, and the things that lead on a different path were more about our beliefs of women than race. I've never treated anyone poorly because of their race, that I can think of. I mean, I am an asshole, but it wasn't based on race.

That explains a lot.

....everything on your list of the negatives of leaving religion involves women and women's bodies. Why?

Maybe my wording isn't good on this, but it's sort of liking mentioning the damage to the oceans while talking about climate change. It all sort of flows towards the oceans....

You and I, started this life female, but were marked and called to be something a little different. Males.

In a major sense, humanity is female in nature, perhaps our ideals are more masculine.

The condition of a culture, in many ways, is reflected in the females. This isn't some twisted hate or blame, but my observations. Right now, as I see it, some males avoided marriage and no one cared. But when masses of the female population are avoiding marriage, it should tell us something....

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When a group of people feel "oppressed" by a larger group of people, they tend to band together and think and act in unison. The more oppression they feel, the more likely they are to act as one.

Yes, when combined with partisan momentum, black voting patterns can in significant part be explained by viewing conservatives as hostile to their interests relative to Democrats.

Democrats hired black preaches tell preach their message. Blacks are in general, I think, perhaps more spiritual or religious then the average American. (no evidence.) When they moved, they did it all together. The move back, is more about individual awareness.

Black voters shifted to the Democratic party over the course of about 30 years starting in large numbers with the rise of FDR. They became solidly majority Democratic affiliated in the 40's and 50's, and their support of Republicans cratered right around the time of the passage of the civil rights act and the candidacy of Barry Goldwater.

They didn't "all do it together." It was a gradual shift first motivated by economic issues, then later by shifting attitudes in the major parties towards race and civil rights.

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So. . . my pointing out that Democrats are deceptive and mean. . . . was saying blacks cannot think for themselves.

I think you and I have different ideas about mind control.

Except that you didn’t say that “Democrats are deceptive and mean” (which itself is a bit of a nothing statement, given it’s childlike vagueness). What you said was this:

Democrats stole the black vote, in the continued effort to dominate and control them, continued from the slave days. ...

They have used the black vote ever since to enslave them. ...

So they broke their families and gave them benefits to keep them reliant on government.

Why are you unable to explain these mechanisms that you want to claim exist?

Does your version of mind control include mindless repitition of nonsensical talking points handed to you by others? Absent your ability to explain your own claims, it appears that you don’t understand what you are repeating, but are either unknowingly acting as a tool for the agenda of others, or are willfully acting in league with them.

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It looks like 1 contains a typo, and you meant to say it wasn't enlightenment, which I am assuming you mean to say the form of modern democracy we enjoy in the US wasn't a result of the enlightenment. Well, I don't know if that's what you meant to say but that's what it appears you are saying anyway. Because it's pretty clear your belief is democracy is a form of strong-arming people into following the "strongest" whatever that may mean.

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You don't get it. It isn't about politics. Small "d" democracy is an ideological view of the world that suggests the best society is one where people are able to realize their potential rather than one built on hierarchies and accidents of birth. It goes hand-in-hand with the idea behind free markets giving rise to innovations if allowed to compete. It's a rejection of the idea that imposed views of superiority or executive control can't be as effective as simply letting the cream rise to the top. So, along those lines one has to realize that race is a construct (yeah, I know your eyes popped out of your head on that one but it's true. Go do some reading) and a version of the accident of birth that has real consequences for people because of how we behave not because of who people innately are. That's what is the real truth that you pretend Candace is saying while using the idea that acknowledging society has work to do to make it an even playing field to try and maintain a status quo that works against people. it also happens to be holding you down, but hey, you're a big boy with big boy thoughts that are all your own so who am I to say otherwise?

I really appreciate that you took the time to reply, but hey, that is just too much for me to make a blow-by-blow come back. First, thanks for catching my typo.

You mentioned democracy with a little (d) but maybe you mean a big (D).

Big "D" is usually reserved for reference to a Democratic Party. In the US, it's used to refer to anything related to the Democratic Party or Democrats. I did not mean that at all. Small "d" democracy is a term with meaning that is somewhat synonymous with egalitarianism. And I used it as it is meant to be used. It refers to ideals and actions that further the decentralization of political power and action from a ruling elite to the people. You may appreciate that I don't think big "D" Democrats in the US are always or automatically aligned with little "d" democratic ideals.

Anyway, I thought you might benefit from reading the scandalous article in Wikipedia about the American Enlightenment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enlightenment

And also the article about liberal democracy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_democracy

I know. It's wiki. But it is a decent starting point.

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You mentioned democracy with a little (d) but maybe you mean a big (D).

Big "D" is usually reserved for reference to a Democratic Party.

Just lost me. Democracy, (big D) shouldn't be confused with a political party.

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Just lost me. Democracy, (big D) shouldn't be confused with a political party.

It's just how our language is conventionally used. The capital letter refers to a specific political party. It's a proper noun. The lower case letter refers to the ideological concept. This holds true for other political parties as well.