schreech wrote:This is heartbreaking. I’ve visited several times and Paris was one of the first places I visited outside of the US 25 years ago so it has a somewhat special place in my heart as I had never seen anything like ND. I always found that part of Paris amazing. I was in Europe last year with one of my daughters and I decided to take a detour just to visit ND. I’m glad we did as I’m guessing climbing up to the gargoyles is not going to be an option in the future. Such a bummer.
It's a loss, but it will be restored, and many craftsmen will be challenged and enabled to flourish in consequence.
And it has been restored before (though not after an event of the present magnitude): the wooden spire over the centre of the nave was in fact a 19th-century addition by Eugène Viollet-le-Duc, who worked on many other churches and cathedrals in France. Most Parisians will want everything back 'just as it was', but some may want to see things as they were before the addition.
And nobody has been killed.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Sadly, it has now been reported that a firefighter has been seriously injured.
The main structure, and in particular the two towers, are now said to be safe. It appears that the people on the job are winning their battle.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I have never been to Paris. I am not a Catholic. But watching the building going up in flames, I felt like weeping. Part of Western Civilization just went up in flames. Thoughts and Prayers for the citizens of the City of Light.
"The great problem of any civilization is how to rejuvenate itself without rebarbarization." - Will Durant "We've kept more promises than we've even made" - Donald Trump "Of what meaning is the world without mind? The question cannot exist." - Edwin Land
Kevin Graham wrote:Trump is apparently an expert at fighting Cathedral fires overseas, but when it comes to natural fires in American forests, he wants nothing to do with them.
Don't forget that Trump is an expert on everything. No one knows more about anything, no matter what it is, or is more intelligent than Donald J. Trump! He says so himself, and we all know what a paragon of truth and virtue he is! Right?
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
I hope it wasn't arson committed by some fanatical terrorist.
No precept or claim is more likely to be false than one that can only be supported by invoking the claim of Divine authority for it--no matter who or what claims such authority.
“If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you.”
― Harlan Ellison
Trump’s intent was to put out the flames over and save a historical monument when hearing about it. Turns out some helicopter drops from the adjacent river may have now been helpful. What is despicable from many here is to question the intent. The risk of Trump’s intent is now lost in the consequence for all you experts. TDS is worse than measles for the unemployed. Still goes on here. So sad in any form of logical reasoning.
Gunnar wrote:I hope it wasn't arson committed by some fanatical terrorist.
I'm surprised someone hasn't already said that here. I listened to an interview earlier with someone in Paris and they seemed to imply that they fear this was an act of terrorism. They were saying how people were standing in the street watching it burn and crying. I cried, too.
Looking at it, I got the same feeling that I did watching the towers burn on 911. I hope that this is not an act of terrorism.
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
Chinese Proverb
Bach wrote:Trump’s intent was to put out the flames over and save a historical monument when hearing about it. Turns out some helicopter drops from the adjacent river may have now been helpful. What is despicable from many here is to question the intent. The risk of Trump’s intent is now lost in the consequence for all you experts. TDS is worse than measles for the unemployed. Still goes on here. So sad in any form of logical reasoning.
Not sure how many classic structures you’ve seen burn, but I’ll bet that none of them were ever doused with “helicopter drops” regardless.
You should get out more, instead of wasting so much of your life starting dozens of whiney threads on internet message boards.
Gunnar wrote:I hope it wasn't arson committed by some fanatical terrorist.
I'm surprised someone hasn't already said that here. I listened to an interview earlier with someone in Paris and they seemed to imply that they fear this was an act of terrorism. They were saying how people were standing in the street watching it burn and crying. I cried, too.
Looking at it, I got the same feeling that I did watching the towers burn on 911. I hope that this is not an act of terrorism.
tl;dr - 2015 to 2016 more than 200 people were killed in France due to terrorist attacks by Amish people. Also, the cathedral was targeted, but the plan was foiled because of Amish incompetence.
- Doc
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
