Minimum Wage Rises - Bad Restaurants Go Out of Business

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ajax18 wrote:If that were true, the left wouldn't be fighting Trump so hard nor would they consider him such a threat.

It amazing to me how just when I thought you've said the dumbest thing possible, you top it. Do you type just to hear yourself type?

Nobody I know (that opposes Trump) does so over his boarder policies. Most people I know oppose him because he's a lying sack of crap thug and terrible for America's standing in the world, or because he's a serial sexual assaulter, or because he's a moron, or one of a number of other personal flaws.

You live in a fantasy land of your own making.
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And yes, I support an increase in the minimum wage. “F” crappy restaurants.
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ajax18 wrote:
Trump isn't doing anything to strengthen the border he's only pretending to which only strengthens the stubbornness and ignorance among his followers.


If that were true, the left wouldn't be fighting Trump so hard nor would they consider him such a threat.


Anyone with a moral conscience and a damned brain considers him a threat. More than 500 former prosecutors including Republicans and those who worked in the Trump administration have said as much. The man is a felon who gets away with it because he's a rich white guy and being able to get away with crimes is just something that comes with being in that club.
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Kevin Graham wrote:
ajax18 wrote:If that were true, the left wouldn't be fighting Trump so hard nor would they consider him such a threat.
Anyone with a moral conscience and a damned brain considers him a threat. More than 500 former prosecutors including Republicans and those who worked in the Trump administration have said as much. The man is a felon who gets away with it because he's a rich white guy and being able to get away with crimes is just something that comes with being in that club.

This understates the case. He gets away with everything because GOP senators are maximally hypocritical and corrupt, and refuse to put a check on this crook in favor of their own power.

The USA is at its lowest point in my lifetime, if not ever. We have a full blown constitutional crisis (congress and the White House are now at war publicly), and asshole Republican senators are turning a blind eye, knowing damn well this crap is on them.
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More than 500 former prosecutors including Republicans and those who worked in the Trump administration have said as much.


Since when does what a Republican says hold any weight with you?

The man is a felon who gets away with it because he's a rich white guy and being able to get away with crimes is just something that comes with being in that club.


Actually people with some means are held to a higher standard than the indigent because local governments are more interested in collecting fines and penalties more than paying to house people in jails and pay for the indigent defender fund.

I don't know Cinepro. It just seems that the minimum wage is so low compared to the cost of living especially where you are from. A lot of these employers in my town aren't willing to work around college student schedules so the idea that these jobs are for students is a myth. How do you keep employees when welfare and single motherhood qualifies one for a similar standard of living?
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ajax18 wrote:
Trump isn't doing anything to strengthen the border he's only pretending to which only strengthens the stubbornness and ignorance among his followers.


If that were true, the left wouldn't be fighting Trump so hard nor would they consider him such a threat.

Seriously, ajax. Pretty sure that you own a calculator. Do the math. A wall is the least effective bang for your border enforcement buck while taking longer to deploy than any other method. Trump is laughing at how much mileage he gets out of his wall routine amongst his Base while rubbing the inefficiency of it in your face.

Don’t you ever get tired of being treated like a moron by the leader you adore? It’s bad enough that he’s hiring these same folks that you’re worried about while forcing your children to pay for his game of pulling the wool over your eyes.
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cinepro wrote:I just came across this interesting research paper that ties raises in the minimum wage with a greater likelihood of low-rated restaurants going out of business ...

So, would this be an expected consequence of raises in the minimum wage? And would those who support a higher minimum wage consider this a good thing?

Would it be fair to consider the exceptionally low wages paid to restaurant personnel in most states to be a form of taxpayer subsidy for keeping poorly-managed or low-quality restaurants in business?
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This issue is more about Walmart and its low-wage work force than about businesses on the margins. Walmart stands to take a significant hit to its profits when wages are forced to rise. So, casting this issue as something different is desirable for big businesses like Walmart who stand to lose. Even so, it is about time to have living wages regardless whether some C-grade restaurant goes out of business. Over the last 40 years, wages have stagnated against inflation. Break up the monopolies and force wages a little higher. Put more money in consumer's pockets. We will all benefit where 70% of our economy is consumer driven.
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Exiled wrote:This issue is more about Walmart and its low-wage work force than about businesses on the margins. Walmart stands to take a significant hit to its profits when wages are forced to rise. So, casting this issue as something different is desirable for big businesses like Walmart who stand to lose. Even so, it is about time to have living wages regardless whether some C-grade restaurant goes out of business. Over the last 40 years, wages have stagnated against inflation. Break up the monopolies and force wages a little higher. Put more money in consumer's pockets. We will all benefit where 70% of our economy is consumer driven.

Good post.
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Exiled wrote:This issue is more about Walmart and its low-wage work force than about businesses on the margins. Walmart stands to take a significant hit to its profits when wages are forced to rise. So, casting this issue as something different is desirable for big businesses like Walmart who stand to lose. Even so, it is about time to have living wages regardless whether some C-grade restaurant goes out of business. Over the last 40 years, wages have stagnated against inflation. Break up the monopolies and force wages a little higher. Put more money in consumer's pockets. We will all benefit where 70% of our economy is consumer driven.



Many of our minimum wage laws that are already on the books are not enforced. How is just passing a new minimum wage law going to change that?

Would it be fair to consider the exceptionally low wages paid to restaurant personnel in most states to be a form of taxpayer subsidy for keeping poorly-managed or low-quality restaurants in business?


That's the way I see it. And for every minimum wage worker who won't accept this extremely low wage, you've already let in over 30 million illegal immigrants who will. That's treason and putting party over country. The Democrats should be held accountable for giving the country away.
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