Drawings by immigrant children

[_Dr. Shades]

A Mexican National entering the US would be required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are in possession of a Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 Visa and Border Crossing Card, containing a machine-readable biometric identifier, issued by the Department of State and is applying for admission as a temporary visitor for business or pleasure from contiguous territory by land or sea (1). Presumably, a Mexican National within the States and exiting at the border would be required to show this ID/documentation.

What if they crossed illegally?

[Guest]

I do think it would be helpful for the atmosphere of this board if the good Dr. Shades would move out of the 'I have heard that ...' and 'what if ...' mode into the mode in which one feels obliged to produce some verifiable evidence when discussing a really serious matter of national policy that involves risk to human life, and the way that the responsibility for caring for helpless children is to be properly discharged.

[_canpakes]

A Mexican National entering the US would be required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are in possession of a Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 Visa and Border Crossing Card, containing a machine-readable biometric identifier, issued by the Department of State and is applying for admission as a temporary visitor for business or pleasure from contiguous territory by land or sea (1). Presumably, a Mexican National within the States and exiting at the border would be required to show this ID/documentation.

What if they crossed illegally?

Hence, everything that I wrote in that post after that part. ; )

[_honorentheos]

There's a serious issue that comes from conflating two important, associated but distinct problems as is being done here. Human trafficking is a well documented issue at the border. Sex trafficking that involves organized criminal cartels running sophisticated operations down to instances of individuals is as real, as serious a problem at the border as exists, and absolutely deserving of our law enforcement spending and attention. Most of it uses ports of entry rather than dangerous crossings through the desert.

Most of what Shades is describing is not that. What Shades described is the practice of using unaccompanied minors who are traveling to the border as cover by adults seeking to enter the US as a means to avoid detention given the laws and ruling minimizing the amount of time a child could be held.

Neither issue is addressed by manipulating the law. The problems need resources to address them. The Trump administration is concerned with letting people in more than being concerned with compliance with the law. When the Obama admin was faced with increased numbers of immigrants and asylum seekers it struggled, too. But it ultimately came down on the side of adhering to the law and expeditiously moving people out of centers and into the country to await hearings notoriously backlogged and understaffed. The Trump admin has other priorities. That's what is behind the humanitarian issues. The idea the Trump admin is fixing a problem by holding minors longer is a deflection from the reality they are prioritizing keeping people out over their well being and all other aspects of the law except an extreme focus on keeping people without visas out of the country.

For all the flak Obama takes from conservatives, his immigration actions were as tough as possible but with purpose. His admin used every dollar Congress put towards immigration enforcement. But those being limited funds, they used them to focus on deporting people who had criminal records rather than homes, jobs and families. Trump's admin is doing less with more, but has turned immigration enforcement into a terror campaign against immigrants. He's deporting fewer people and treating the gang members and productive, integrated families the same. Or worse, using the fact DACA and other Obama era programs brought people into open society to track down parents who lacked the same protections to deport them because it is easier than finding individual criminal types.

[_Markk]

Is it difficult to cross the border from the United States into Mexico?

This would be an excellent question to ask the source of this story about children casually crossing back and forth across the border by the apparent thousands, in order to pose as children of others who also want to cross.

According to a few dozen online sources, anyone passing into Mexico from the US side will need documentation that shows proof of American citizenship such as a birth certificate, a certificate of citizenship or naturalization or a Certificate of Indian Status, plus a photo ID.

A Mexican National entering the US would be required to present a passport and valid visa issued by a U.S. Consular Official, unless they are in possession of a Form DSP-150, B-1/B-2 Visa and Border Crossing Card, containing a machine-readable biometric identifier, issued by the Department of State and is applying for admission as a temporary visitor for business or pleasure from contiguous territory by land or sea (1). Presumably, a Mexican National within the States and exiting at the border would be required to show this ID/documentation.

(1) https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail ... ernational

If these thousands of kids are passing back and forth across the border, then I'm guessing that they'd be too valuable a commodity to take through the desert via coyote, regardless of no available data existing regarding any significant number of people - children or otherwise - trying to slip across the border into Mexico from the US side. And they'd probably not be in possession of the proper paperwork to be passing through at border crossings, either unaccompanied or with non-relatives.

So, how is this working?

Methinks that this 'child for rent' theory needs some revamping from the folks presenting it before it can be taken as seriously as they'd like.

You can get any type of paperwork one wants at several locations in So Ca. it is big business. You can buy cheap crap, of very good paper work....depending how much one wants to pay.

There is also rent a document service, where a person rents a real green card with a picture that looks similar to the person renting it.

Huntington Park and MacArthur Park are the ones I am familiar with.

If you think things like what Shades suggests are not happening, you are naïve.

Funny story, but true....about 10 years ago I hired two brothers for the company I was working for, Ivan and Diego. We knew they were illegal, most the labors on construction sites are, and told them they needed a SS card if they wanted a job. They came in the next day with SS cards....each with the same exact numbers! I laughed my rear off, and explained what the cards were for, the next day they had new cards with different numbers.

On a side note, Ivan had a letter-man's jacket he wore for about two weeks before I had the heart to tell him it was a "song girls" jacket...it has music notes on the letter...he turned red when I told him and threw it away.

One sure way to tell a illegal is by what printed tee shirts and hats they wear...they buy them at thrift stores or where ever, and they generally have no idea what they say...you see some funny shirts and hats, that just don't fit the person.

But at any rate, forged paper work is big business. The company I work for now employees anywhere from 100 to 200 hundred field workers at any given time...and all have proper paper work, or we couldn't hire them..yet many if not most are totally illegal in one way or another. If you guys took a week and actually witnessed what is going on with illegal immigration, homelessness, and the deteriorating of once really nice cities , you would change your views. But it's coming to your cities sooner than later if something is not done.

[_canpakes]

If you think things like what Shades suggests are not happening, you are naïve.

Funny story, but true....about 10 years ago I hired two brothers for the company I was working for, Ivan and Diego. We knew they were illegal, most the labors on construction sites are, and told them they needed a SS card if they wanted a job. They came in the next day with SS cards....each with the same exact numbers! I laughed my rear off, and explained what the cards were for, the next day they had new cards with different numbers.

I’m totally aware of the ‘document services’ available to non-cits looking for work. I personally had to vet docs including SS cards at one time for a landscape design/build firm. I never saw any come in with matching numbers (lol), but one learns right away how to distinguish the real SS cards from the fakes pretty reliably as quick as it takes to feel the card, due to the intaglio printing process used.

This situation is a bit different, though. We’re not talking about folks getting work docs to stay in a static location; Shades is talking about coordinated efforts to move massive numbers of kids in, out and back into the country repeatedly in order to facilitate escaping certain restrictions upon entering. The logistics of that are much more challenging. And with as many kids already in camps awaiting the supposed confirmation of their relational status, it’s apparent that there’s no need for them to return back to Mexico given that we still see thousands of people showing up at the border with kids in tow. In other words, the number of detentions has increased but so does the number of migrants arriving. Even if such a system proposed by Shades could be in use at some imagined scale, it appears to not be necessary, nor advantageous.

[_Markk]

I’m totally aware of the ‘document services’ available to non-cits looking for work. I personally had to vet docs including SS cards at one time for a landscape design/build firm. I never saw any come in with matching numbers (lol), but one learns right away how to distinguish the real SS cards from the fakes pretty reliably as quick as it takes to feel the card, due to the intaglio printing process used.

This situation is a bit different, though. We’re not talking about folks getting work docs to stay in a static location; Shades is talking about coordinated efforts to move massive numbers of kids in, out and back into the country repeatedly in order to facilitate escaping certain restrictions upon entering. The logistics of that are much more challenging. And with as many kids already in camps awaiting the supposed confirmation of their relational status, it’s apparent that there’s no need for them to return back to Mexico given that we still see thousands of people showing up at the border with kids in tow. In other words, the number of detentions has increased but so does the number of migrants arriving. Even if such a system proposed by Shades could be in use at some imagined scale, it appears to not be necessary, nor advantageous.

Well, fake docs allow that to happen, especially the rent a doc's. The bottom line trafficking is happening.

There is nothing different happening now under Trump that was happening under Obama, or Bush...there is just more of it.

People posting images of bars drawn by a child is just eye candy to folks with an agenda. These are the same bars in detention centers that kids were in under Obama, bush and Clinton. Bars are for the safety of everyone, especially the children.

Elementary schools have bars, alarms, metal screening and scanning, and armed security... context is everything. We lock up our Children at our schools for protection and that is "good"...yet we lock them up for protection at a border with mass immigration, mixed in with real bad people, and that is bad.

A child could equally draw a picture of this, and it would look the same.... https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... 3pcHuLiWfw scroll through these pic's

[_Markk]

I’m totally aware of the ‘document services’ available to non-cits looking for work. I personally had to vet docs including SS cards at one time for a landscape design/build firm. I never saw any come in with matching numbers (lol), but one learns right away how to distinguish the real SS cards from the fakes pretty reliably as quick as it takes to feel the card, due to the intaglio printing process used.

Employers no longer care if they are fake or not, we all know, it is no more than a joke...illegals are the work force in many industries and it is beyond policing.

We are based out of LA county...out of the scores of workers we have, we struggle manning projects in San Diego counties because of the Border patrol presence on the 5 and 15. E verify was and is a joke and only hurts immigrants going by the rules. Again, a joke and waste of money.

[_Jersey Girl]

People posting images of bars drawn by a child is just eye candy to folks with an agenda.

No they aren't. They are psychological and emotional expressions that give us cues to the situation and environment through the eyes of children. Do you know what the least restrictive environment means?

[_Jersey Girl]

Elementary schools have bars, alarms, metal screening and scanning, and armed security... context is everything. We lock up our Children at our schools for protection and that is "good"...yet we lock them up for protection at a border with mass immigration, mixed in with real bad people, and that is bad.

Elementary students aren't locked up 24/7 without access to their parents for months. I'll tackle more of this later.