The Best of the 2010s: A Mopologetic Decade in Review

[_Shulem]

You can add me to the list - the poster formerly known as "ttribe."

What do you say, Scratch? Shall we convert our truce to a more permanent cessation of hostilities? It has been 9 years, after all.

Oh my. Welcome.

[_MsJack]

Thank you for the recognition.

If I had the chance to go back and re-do my thread, I would change absolutely nothing. I am glad it had the impact that it did.

I only wish that it hadn't been necessary. The FARMS/FAIR crowd had plenty of opportunities to do the right thing and deal with the problem internally. They waved to those opportunities as they passed them by.

[_MsJack]

OOPS! Thanks for answering my question anyway. So FAIR didn't give him a free pass, after all.

Oh, they did. His behavior was raised on the FAIR mailing list in the weeks/months before I posted my thread. A few people expressed concern, but ultimately most people defended him.

After my thread, he was defended on MADB by no less than FAIR board member Juliann Reynolds, who called me "very stupid" for posting it. He was defended by Dan Peterson, Russell McGregor, and Wade Englund on our forum here. Meanwhile, I was quietly banned from MADB while not posting there.

It's not that FAIR didn't know William Schryver was like this. It's just that they didn't care. (Or not enough of the right people cared.)

[_Gadianton]

It's not that FAIR didn't know William Schryver was like this. It's just that they didn't care. (Or not enough of the right people cared.)

I disagree, I think they did care. They wanted him like that.

[_Gadianton]

Yikes, Stig, I'm not sure I'm processing what you're saying. For now, welcome, and let me say that the greatest difficulty I had accepting The Grand Tour was the lack of The Stig.

[_Kishkumen]

You can add me to the list - the poster formerly known as "ttribe."

What do you say, Scratch? Shall we convert our truce to a more permanent cessation of hostilities? It has been 9 years, after all.

Welcome, The Stig! I am very pleased to see you here again. I always enjoyed tribe’s visits to MDB, and his absence was lamented. Someday we would like to see a detailed narrative of your journey from ttribe to The Stig.

[_moksha]

As the B.H. Roberts Chair of Mopologetic Studies, I respectfully request that you refresh my memory: Did Schryver's FAIR Conference presentation of his cypher theory take place before or after MsJack's epic takedown?

Hi, Dr. Shades.

That information was actually in my OP. But the answer is that Schryver's presentation at the FAIR Conference came first (summer of 2010); MsJack began her legendary thread on May 1, 2011.

So the FAIR Dirty Tricks Division lost one of their valuable assets when the MsJacks Schryver information became known.

[_Doctor Scratch]

OOPS! Thanks for answering my question anyway. So FAIR didn't give him a free pass, after all.

I'm not sure what you mean, Shades. I think that MsJack gave you a very good answer. I guess maybe you were asking whether he first got called out via the MsJack thread, and *then* was allowed to present at FAIR? (The answer, as you know, is "No.")

It may be that the Reverend is right and that someone should craft a handy timeline, but for the time being: Schryver was first "disciplined" by the Maxwell Institute. The rabid (at the time) hyenas at FAIR were all screaming about how Schryver was the physical embodiment of the "game changer." And you have to remember what the FAIR board / MAD was like back that: that was *the* bastion of Mopologetics during that time. DCP and Hamblin were both regular posters, in addition to Charity, Juliann, Scott Lloyd, Wenglund, Schryver, Pahoran, and many, many others. And they were all united in their hatred for anti-Mormons and Church critics.

So, like the Dean says: they *liked* Schryver's behavior, and would have been more than happy to go on watching him behave that way into eternity. But it just looked so bad. DCP and others apparently tried to set Schryver up with a publishing opportunity with FARMS (at some point, to his credit--I guess?--Peterson began to see how politically messy this all was, and so he started going around and badmouthed Schryver behind his back), but this was shot down--thanks to MsJack's thread--and subsequently, Schryver effectively "went missing," as Midgley would say.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Thank you for the recognition.

If I had the chance to go back and re-do my thread, I would change absolutely nothing. I am glad it had the impact that it did.

I only wish that it hadn't been necessary. The FARMS/FAIR crowd had plenty of opportunities to do the right thing and deal with the problem internally. They waved to those opportunities as they passed them by.

MsJack,

We owe you enormously for your work: it was a powerful act of reportage and argument, and I really do think that you changed things for the better. It is easy to be disruptive. It's far harder to actually make things better than they were.

[_Doctor Scratch]

You can add me to the list - the poster formerly known as "ttribe."

What do you say, Scratch? Shall we convert our truce to a more permanent cessation of hostilities? It has been 9 years, after all.

Welcome, The Stig! I am very pleased to see you here again. I always enjoyed tribe’s visits to MDB, and his absence was lamented. Someday we would like to see a detailed narrative of your journey from ttribe to The Stig.

The Stig:

Welcome aboard! I join Dean Robbers in finding your message baffling: my goodness, is this really true? Which means, of course, that I also join the Reverend in saying that I think many here--myself among them--would be very curious to learn your story!