New LDS manual teaches racism. Mistake?
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I wonder what would constitute a recallable offense in printed church manuals.
What if an offensive image had been surreptitiously embedded in one of the picture frames? Would the church recall for that reason?
What if a sneaky writer embedded a nasty vertical text message on the left hand margin, like Schwarzenegger did as governor? Would the church recall for that reason?
Then why not for an offensive piece of disavowed racial doctrine, which has the potential to do far more harm than either of the above.
What if an offensive image had been surreptitiously embedded in one of the picture frames? Would the church recall for that reason?
What if a sneaky writer embedded a nasty vertical text message on the left hand margin, like Schwarzenegger did as governor? Would the church recall for that reason?
Then why not for an offensive piece of disavowed racial doctrine, which has the potential to do far more harm than either of the above.
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It seems they had sufficient time to halt distribution of the hard copy manuals (holding is mine).
https://www.ksl.com/article/46706963/we ... lake-naacp
They knew about it late last year, but still went ahead with the distribution, and didn’t issue any announcement of the offending passage and the request that members disregard it until after the bad publicity?
Prior to his prepared remarks, Elder Stevenson expressed sorrow for an outdated commentary on race that appeared in a recent church study manual.
“It was mistakenly included in the printed version of the manual, which had been prepared for print nearly two years ago,” Elder Stevenson said, as first reported by Deseret News reporter Tad Walch. “When it was brought to the attention of church leaders late last year, they directed that it be immediately removed in our annual online manual, which is used by the great majority of our members. We have also directed that any future printed manuals will reflect this change.
“We’re asking our members to disregard the paragraph in the printed manual. Now I’m deeply saddened and hurt by this error and for any pain that it may have caused our members and for others.”
https://www.ksl.com/article/46706963/we ... lake-naacp
They knew about it late last year, but still went ahead with the distribution, and didn’t issue any announcement of the offending passage and the request that members disregard it until after the bad publicity?
If you meant that, you’d remove those things you disavow from the Book of Mormon.Elder Stevenson then reiterated the church’s position on race, racism and race relations.
“We do condemn all racism, past and present, in any form, and we disavow any theory advanced that black or dark skin is a sign of a curse,” he said.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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Dr Moore wrote:I wonder what would constitute a recallable offense in printed church manuals.
What if an offensive image had been surreptitiously embedded in one of the picture frames? Would the church recall for that reason?
What if a sneaky writer embedded a nasty vertical text message on the left hand margin, like Schwarzenegger did as governor? Would the church recall for that reason?
Then why not for an offensive piece of disavowed racial doctrine, which has the potential to do far more harm than either of the above.
It speaks volumes to me that the Church would not recall and reprint the manual and take the financial hit. We know they have mountains of money. They would use that money to prop up failing businesses, but they would not show their commitment to fighting racism in their own ranks?
By their fruits, ye shall know them.
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https://www.ksl.com/article/46706963/we ... lake-naacp
Tl;dr - Elder Stevenson to Utah NAACP on MLK Day - Whoops. Our bad. Updated it online and told our peeps to ignore it.
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Tl;dr - Elder Stevenson to Utah NAACP on MLK Day - Whoops. Our bad. Updated it online and told our peeps to ignore it.
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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Kishkumen wrote:
It speaks volumes to me that the Church would not recall and reprint the manual and take the financial hit. We know they have mountains of money. They would use that money to prop up failing businesses, but they would not show their commitment to fighting racism in their own ranks?
By their fruits, ye shall know them.
Well what do you expect? The Church is too cheap to hire janitors to clean the toilets. It relies on volunteers to clean the chapel. The Church can't afford to maintain buildings in addition to saving $100 billion for Jesus's coming back party.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:https://www.ksl.com/article/46706963/we-are-all-part-of-the-same-divine-family-elder-stevenson-tells-salt-lake-naacp
Tl;dr - Elder Stevenson to Utah NAACP on MLK Day - Whoops. Our bad. Updated it online and told our peeps to ignore it.
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So noted. I think that is pretty weak, but I know that there are much bigger fish to fry in the world.
Here's the thing: how someone reacts to problems like this sends a message. This was an opportunity to go far in the other direction to show dramatically that such things will not represent the Church's position going forward. They fumbled this opportunity, in my opinion.
And the excuse that this manual was written two years ago . . . . What does that mean? Is he suggesting that two years ago such language was OK in Mormon circles?
I mean, if he had said the manual had been put together forty years ago, that would be one thing (it would not make much sense, admittedly). But two years ago? Talk about tone deaf.
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Shulem wrote:Well what do you expect? The Church is too cheap to hire janitors to clean the toilets. It relies on volunteers to clean the chapel. The Church can't afford to maintain buildings in addition to saving $100 billion for Jesus's coming back party.
Their lack of commitment to the very people Jesus commanded them to care for is evident in so many ways. I don't see how this organization well reflects the spirit of the Savior whose name it bears. The global catastrophe described in scripture is upon us, and it feels like the leadership of the LDS Church is whistling as it walks past the graveyard. I do not see strong leadership in the face of oppression, poverty, illness, and cataclysm. I hear a deafening silence from the COB.
The world is dying, guys. What are you going to do to save it?
So far, it seems like effectively nothing.
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Elder Stevenson- please go to the back of the conference room and face the wall. your explanation is even being questioned by several widows in the Parowan ward. And get your black out redaction pen out and start lining out the curse material- only 2,000,000 more copies to go!
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kairos wrote:Elder Stevenson- please go to the back of the conference room and face the wall. your explanation is even being questioned by several widows in the Parowan ward. And get your black out redaction pen out and start lining out the curse material- only 2,000,000 more copies to go!
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We will never stop quoting the awful racist statements made by past church leaders. It goes to show that what they said back then was uninspired much like what they say today is uninspired.
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by the way is the MADD board offline at the moment?