About those COVID Tests

[_Jersey Girl]

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[_subgenius]

Aside from an effective treatment or vaccine, you need some combination of robust testing, tracking / contact tracing, and quarantining procedures to prevent constant flare-ups of mass death if people resume normal behavior.

cool medical degree bruh, got any other fascist policies you want to sneak in the back door?
But first, since you often use your own dictionary, what evidence of "mass death flare-ups" do you have for covid19?

There's still no indication government systems are ready to roll that out...

Nice fallacy - first prove that there is an indication that a "roll-out" of that scale is necessary.

because the federal government is a dumpster fire.

irrelevant opinion but thanks for reminding us all of your sensitive digestive system.

So it's either that we don't do that, or we accept waves of normalcy followed by death and restriction.

death and restriction is the sole premise of your opening statement on this post, emphasis on restriction. Again, nice fallacy but "normalcy" with a virus killing people is kinda been your entire life...but now you have the TDS goggles.

The way you hear some people talk...

like how you "heard" them talk in the quad after 9/11?

you'd think if stay-at-home orders were lifted, people would just all sprint out of their houses and have an orgy at Home Depot.

huh? (notwithstanding that HD is still open)

That's not what's going to happen, though. If people don't believe they are safe, they will engage in protective behaviors on their own.

And how dare they, amiright?

And if Home Depot tries to stay open while getting half the normal business and their workforce periodically being afflicted by a plague, it's not going to go well for them.

again, HD is currently open...and Lowe's...and your inflammatory hyperbole in using "plague" is why you are losing credibility on the subject. Your TDS is tedious and leaning into being insanity.

Orders that are keeping brick and mortar businesses closed have the effect of obscuring what would likely be brutal market conditions for many of them. Restaurants aren't known for operating on huge margins.

A different tone than when you were in support of instantly doubling restaurant workers wages...nevertheless, you have managed to slide the topic from Fed to State, since it is only the States that have issued such orders and closed such businesses....but according to you, in the absence of such orders 'scared people' would do this on their own....most likely in the form of boyfriends calling for blood and scaring their girlfriends in the quad.

So, really, that leaves us with getting an effective treatment(s) or vaccine or some system in place to test, track, and isolate on a true mass scale.

and bring it back to your overt fascist ideology - well done. How come we do not do this with the countless other viruses that are either consistently present and killing people or intermittently killing people? When was your last ebola check?
Anyway, you should just go ahead and say it - you believe people should have to show their papers at checkpoints.

[_canpakes]

subs, one of the cool things about you working from home as you yourself ‘shelter in place’ is that when you post from your computer as opposed to your cellphone, you at least stand a better chance of not making so many weird or unintelligible spelling and grammar mistakes.

[_EAllusion]

[I]cool medical degree bruh, got any other fascist policies you want to sneak in the back door?[/i]

My degrees are in cell biology and psychology, but that is what the people with the relevant expertise believe to be the case.

[i]But first, since you often use your own dictionary, what evidence of "mass death flare-ups" do you have for covid19?[/i]

Lol. COVID, even when you don't take into account untested probable COVID deaths or deaths caused by strained medical resources from COVID response, currently is the number #1 cause of death in the United States. Seems like we can call that a flare up. I remember a time when COVID wasn't the number 1 killer of Americans and 1000+ people weren't dying every day as a result of it.

[i]like how you "heard" them talk in the quad after 9/11? :lol: [/i]

By "some people" I was referring to conservative commentary that is hammering the theme of "re-opening the economy" by relaxing mitigation efforts under the assumption that these moves will reignite economic activity sufficient to stave off a severe economic contraction. This, too, contradicts what people with relevant expertise to believe to be the case. It seems to be based in twin naïve beliefs about how both projected deaths/hospitalizations and protective behavior affect aggregate economic activity. It's not an either or choice between economic contraction and ongoing pandemic with hundreds of thousands of deaths. It's economic contraction and pandemic or just economic contraction.

[i]huh? (notwithstanding that HD is still open)[/i]If stay-at-home orders (etc.) are relaxed, you will not see an aggregate return to normal consumer behavior. Some consumers will return as normal, but there will be enough who will self-impose mitigating behavior that you'll still see a significant decline in demand. Because there are many businesses who cannot operate in a demand collapse, you don't get your economic rescue by merely rescinding government mandated mitigation efforts. But, hey, you do get enough increase in interaction to spread coronavirus, so it's the worst of both worlds.

Everyone running out to home depot is a metaphor for the idea of a resumption of normal consumer activity.

[i]again, HD is currently open...and Lowe's...and your inflammatory hyperbole in using "plague" is why you are losing credibility on the subject. Your TDS is tedious and leaning into being insanity.[/i]

People are under intense pressure not to go out shopping or interact closely with people you goof. While you might be taking your daily constitutional at Home Depot, varying degrees of stay-at-home orders are reducing patronage of open businesses in general. And in hotspots, that fact isn't enough to prevent flare ups of infections at public-facing businesses. In this environment, rescinding stay-at-home orders isn't going to spike demand to normal levels. Movie theaters aren't going to go to being packed so long as some people, unlike yourself, understand the science well enough to know to stay the heck away from movie theaters.

[i]and bring it back to your overt fascist ideology - well done. How come we do not do this with the countless other viruses that are either consistently present and killing people or intermittently killing people? When was your last ebola check?[/i]

It's legitimately amazing you have managed to go with "it's just the flu, bro" through this entire thing. Ebola spreads more slowly, in part thanks to its tendency to kill people fast, and has been successfully localized thus far.

[_EAllusion]

It's fascinating to me - no exaggeration - that people can look at 10's of thousands of deaths even when drastic national steps are taken to reduce infectious spread and think to themselves, "See, that proves you don't need those steps to reduce infectious spread."

[_canpakes]

Anyway, you should just go ahead and say it - you believe people should have to show their papers at checkpoints.

Nothing exposes the petty selfishness and historical ignorance of Trump fanboys like their need to compare their chafing at having to wait a few moments to enter a Home Depot to the Holocaust.

[_Icarus]

It's fascinating to me - no exaggeration - that people can look at 10's of thousands of deaths even when drastic national steps are taken to reduce infectious spread and think to themselves, "See, that proves you don't need those steps to reduce infectious spread."

It truly is astonishing. Trump people all around the country are protesting as if Obama were President. They're literally marching on state capitols blaming their governors for something Trump fully endorses. I have several people on Facebook creating petitions and getting hundreds of locals to sign them to open our state up again.

[_EAllusion]

A little while back I remember saying, I think even on this board, that if we manage to react quickly enough to stop viral spread, it's gonna be frustrating to see people take a successful aversion of catastrophe as proof that preventative steps weren't needed.

What I wasn't prepared for is that we wouldn't take those steps, catastrophe would happen, and people would still take that as proof that preventative steps weren't needed.

[_EAllusion]

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The President engaging in textbook stochastic terrorism seems kinda bad.

[_Icarus]

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The President engaging in textbook stochastic terrorism seems kinda bad.

Two minutes before he tweeted that, he was watching this segment on FOX:

https://Twitter.com/atrupar/status/1251 ... 27361?s=20

We don't have a President. We have FOX News running the country.