Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

[_Lemmie]

I think Dr. Peterson has decided to support the claims of an old friend. It is not like he is gambling Church funds on the veracity of Lou's claims. All anyone has to do is read the comments on the early December Kiwi Mormon blog article to know what went on.

I think you are right on that point. Sometimes I think a side purpose of SeN is to provide Professor Midgley a moderated place to interact with some of his favorite subjects, and get a little Mopologetic wrestling in that Midgley so much enjoys. As long as he stayed at SeN he was OK because he was being looked out for by his friend. Although I do think Peterson should have been more proactive on holding Professor Midgley to level of civility more reflective of his position as a university professor. In that he failed his friend.

Indeed, although Peterson has his own problems with civil conversation, it would appear.

Charles:

It was not my intention to offend, only to have an open and honest dialogue about how LDS reconcile their faith with science.

I will bow out, but if you ever want to discuss these issues please let me know. Thanks

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Peterson:

I frequently discuss such issues with people. It's not obvious to me, though, why you imagine that I would want to discuss them with you.

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Lol.

[_Dr Exiled]

After agreeing to take the weekend off, Coach P asked me the following after insinuating that I was merely poisoning the well:

But you can wait until at least Monday before you attempt to explain why asking questions of people whom you have declared liars would be worthwhile.

I think Coach P is misconstruing what is going on. Dr. Midgley claims his meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband was arranged by the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand and I asked Dr. Midgley to tell me why that would have happened. The only way that makes sense to me is if the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand knew of his dust-up with Dr. Colvin and wanted there to be some sort of burying the hatchet or if someone other than Dr. Midgley sent word that Dr. Midgley wanted to meet and then arranged the meeting. That's when Coach P interceded.

Anyway, Coach P, it isn't poisoning the well if I am trying to get an accused to explain himself more fully. Poisoning the well would be if we were talking about another subject altogether, like LGT, and I responded to Dr. Midgley by implying he lied about who set up the meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband.

So, Dr. Midgley, why would the Area Authority and/or the Stake President, that are over Dr. Colvin's husband's ward, want to have you meet Dr. Colvin's husband and why would the Area Authority call you to see how the meeting went? Surely it wasn't at random. Did you have someone contact them prior to your arriving in Christchurch in order to have them arrange the meeting? Was it because they wanted something settled between the two of you? Or is this simply an invented story to cover your boorish behavior?

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

After agreeing to take the weekend off, Coach P asked me the following after insinuating that I was merely poisoning the well:

But you can wait until at least Monday before you attempt to explain why asking questions of people whom you have declared liars would be worthwhile.

I think Coach P is misconstruing what is going on. Dr. Midgley claims his meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband was arranged by the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand and I asked Dr. Midgley to tell me why that would have happened. The only way that makes sense to me is if the Area Authority and/or Stake President in New Zealand knew of his dust-up with Dr. Colvin and wanted there to be some sort of burying the hatchet or if someone other than Dr. Midgley sent word that Dr. Midgley wanted to meet and then arranged the meeting. That's when Coach P interceded.

Anyway, Coach P, it isn't poisoning the well if I am trying to get an accused to explain himself more fully. Poisoning the well would be if we were talking about another subject altogether, like LGT, and I responded to Dr. Midgley by implying he lied about who set up the meeting with Dr. Colvin's husband.

So, Dr. Midgley, why would the Area Authority and/or the Stake President, that are over Dr. Colvin's husband's ward, want to have you meet Dr. Colvin's husband and why would the Area Authority call you to see how the meeting went? Surely it wasn't at random. Did you have someone contact them prior to your arriving in Christchurch in order to have them arrange the meeting? Was it because they wanted something settled between the two of you? Or is this simply an invented story to cover your boorish behavior?

Please ask Baby Louey this question on Monday.

Peter$on, you and Baby Louey are liars. No question. You've been caught in too many (too numerous to mention) well-documented lies. Shame on you and shame on Baby Louey.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Big Baby Lyin’ Lou sputters out another daily fib when he claims, “... I doubt that I am the only one finds the comments of Charles to be utterly boring...”. A quick perusal of Lyin’ Lou’s disqus profile reveals he has engaged, called upon, and responded to the poster known as ‘Charles’ dozens upon dozens of times. This is why it’s utterly useless to take Dowsing Down and little his cabal of suck ups at their word. Just watch their behavior. They lie, fib, obfuscate, deny, dodge and weave. When you finally pin them down on a point they act like put upon victims who are mercilessly bullied. It’s just damned bizarre to witness Mopologists Gone Wild on Dan’s blog. Good Lord, the Church’s little experiments have finally escaped the lab.

- Doc

[_Kishkumen]

I would only add that it’s a no-win game if she plays, which it seems you are implying if I am interpreting you correctly.

Marjorie Newton, based on some responses I’ve read from her editors and from Midgley, already seems to have concluded that there are other options besides playing Midgley’s game, namely ignoring him entirely, and continuing to interact with the legitimate academic and research world, which of course excludes his rants, personal attacks, and bizarre Interpreter reviews. Colvin seems on that path as well. More power to them.

Yes! Thanks, Lemmie. No, she does not have to play. It is, in the end, the best choice, in my opinion. Lou’s game is really for the home audience. He appears legit to them by offering his option, but anyone outside of that home audience will see what the game is really about. This is why people often choose not to play their game on their terms. Of course, their next move is to claim the opposition is cheating somehow—another move for the home audience’s appreciation—but such a claim is usually nonsense.

[_Gadianton]

Dan Peterson ALWAYS says he has the background story and information on any development

You'd already nailed it by the time you got this far, Philo.

[_Gadianton]

So, Dr. Midgley, why would the Area Authority and/or the Stake President, that are over Dr. Colvin's husband's ward, want to have you meet Dr. Colvin's husband and why would the Area Authority call you to see how the meeting went? Surely it wasn't at random. Did you have someone contact them prior to your arriving in Christchurch in order to have them arrange the meeting? Was it because they wanted something settled between the two of you? Or is this simply an invented story to cover your boorish behavior?

Doctor E., you're onto something here. This is the first thing I've read about the encounter that gave me a shocking glimpse of what was really going on. Until now it's just disjointed, there are all these people there and he said this, and this other guy said that, but okay, it was just a tornado in a junkyard type deal?

[_Lemmie]

Note that Midgley said the area president called him on his birthday. What are the odds this guy knew him and just called to wish him happy birthday without knowing anything about the Colvin visit, and Midgley has now stretched that into the area president following up on a task? Midgley has stretched so many stories well beyond exaggeration that the odds on likelihood is that this birthday greeting was just that, and Midgley is lying about the area president’s involvement.

[_Dr LOD]

I understand that Lou would never put it in such terms, and I don't think it would be fair to credit him with being consciously aware of the implications of what he is doing. He lives in such a bubble of white privilege with all of its concomitant assumptions that it is quite literally impossible for him to see what he is doing. Because brown peoples have appropriated some Western ideas on their own terms in order to combat European colonialism, Lou and his friends condemn this move in a sort of tu quoque move that amounts to the pot accusing the kettle of being derivative and having an inferior shade of black (ahem). It is a no-win game for Gina. The only option she is given by Lou is to embrace his position. She has no other agency because Lou's white man God has already identified her personal choice to be fundamentally compromised.

Thanks for calling out Midgley's problem with white privilege. Yes his whole version of the Mormons and Maori is awash in cultural appropriation. Even if he loves them, at the base it is an action of racism. In this case the institutionalized racism as taught in LDS scripture and doctrine.

It is one thing to appropriate another culture, by wearing some of the clothing, imitating a hairstyle, or adopting some of the language or mannerisms. It is quite another and much more insidious to attempt to erase their history and overlay it with a made up mythology. At least for Native Americans that is just a continuation of Indian removal of the 1830's, Indian wars of the 1870's, the kill the indian save the man approach of the boarding schools, and finally the Tribal Termination policies of the 50's-60's which were lead by a Mormon Senator.

[_Lemmie]

Lol. Midgley has downvoted the poster EV, who has given Colvin an update on Midgley’s shenanigans:

EV • 7 days ago • edited

Hi Gina, just wanted to give you a heads up. Louis Midgley, the guy stalking you who tried to get information about you from your husband on a recent trip, is telling people the LDS Area President and LDS stake president set it up:

“ I was more than a little surprised when we arrived at one of the four meeting houses in the Christchurch Stake that the Stake President immediately directed me to Dr. Nathan McCluskley, who is Gina Colvin's husband. We immediately became good friends. And on March 12, the Area President phoned me and wanted to know if the Stake President had been successful in this endeavor.”
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I’m pretty sure it’s not true, but please, be aware of Midgley. He has been trashing you on Dan Peterson’s blog ever since he returned from his visit, making intrusive remarks about your personal life and saying your husband wanted to meet him.

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