Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Ah, I see. So he was given a business card and this is supposed to mean that he's "friends" with Colvin's husband? Is that really the point he's attempting to make?
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Wow. Midgley has added several new versions to his tale of stalking Colvin.

First:

Louis Midgley Dr. Exiled 4 hours ago

SelfExiled: You are, as Professor Peterson has pointed out, confused about this. I have not changed my story at all. You have, instead, tried to continuThe truth is effective, unless people choose to reject it, which is exactly what you are doing in what you have said about me. I have not changed the account of what happened when seventeen of us reached that chapel, and within a few minutes the Stake President came up to me and said that Gina Colvin's husband wanted to meet me, and then he pointed him out to me. And as I went toward him in that packed chapel, Nathan approached me and we immediately became friends. I never expected anything like this. I am now in email contact with Nathan. So I have a new friend in Christchurch from whom I learned that his wife, as he put in his first words to me "hates" me and then he explained why.


What you don't seem to understand is that Gina Colvin has ceased being a Latter-day Saint. She has been baptized an Anglican and has become a sort of lay preacher, and has also joined the Community of Christ. Her husband is a devout Latter-day Saint. The fact is that I teased Colvin by pointing out that the Community of Christ has only one congregation in New Zealand, and the not more than a dozen or so adults and children worship only in Auckland.

And you should realize that it would not have been possible for anyone to "pay someone a visit" in an Anglican place of worship in Christchurch while on a tour all mapped out by those who set out this tour in Utah.

http://disq.us/p/29x4wd1
And then this version:

Louis Midgley Dr. Exiled • 3 hours ago • edited
Self-Exiled: The answers to your four "how" questions are easy to answer. The son of the Pacific Area President teaches at the Institute at Utah State. He is a very close friend. We talk all the time. He talks with his father. Knowing this should help you grasp that this was neither mysterious nor sinister.

There are three Latter-day Saint chapels in the Christchurch Stake, and one more chapel that is south of that city. Hence I had exactly no idea when and where Dr. Nathan McCluskey might worship in those three chapels in Christchurch. However, the Area President is a very close friend of mine. He phones me every now and again. And we sometimes enjoy part of a day together when he is in Salt Lake. We have never once talked about Gina Colvin's hatred for the Church of Jesus Christ. Her name has never come up. He phoned me on March 12--my birthday--and he asked me if the Stake President had been able to introduce me to Nathan. And I explained that we had chatted for a perhaps ten or fifteen minute conversation and subsequently have had email exchanges.

What I learned from Dr. Nathan McCluskey is that he and Gina Colvin have read everything I have published about the Maori Latter-day Saints, and that they have radically different assessments of my essays. This is a point of contention between them. He agrees with me. And, the first thing he said to me is that "Gina hates you." And he explained why, even when I have praised something she had published.

Both the Stake President and a Bishop in Christchurch were aware that a group of seventeen Latter-day Saints would be attending a Sacrament Meeting in the chapel where it just happened that Nathan worships. And he had made it clear that he wanted to meet me. The Stake President made sure this happened. And then the Area President had been informed that they would make sure this happened. I was very much surprised when this happened. End of story.

I hope that you can grasp why the rubbish that flows from those hostile to me on a certain board on this very issue is for me very irritating. And Professor Peterson is also aware of just how much this has gotten to me.

http://disq.us/p/29x5c2o
According to Colvin, her husband had no idea who Midgley was when Midgley approached him, and he just assumed Midgley was a friend because of how Midgley presented himself. He learned from Colvin, AFTER he spoke with Midgley, that that was a stalking trick Midgley employed.

Also, every version of this story just implicates the LDS church leaders more in their role in violating Colvin and McCluskey’s privacy. Clearly, the New Zealand privacy laws AND the LDS church stated rules regarding privacy of membership records were both violated.

Even more despicable is Midgley’s nonsense about the private relationship between Colvin and McCluskey, however.
Midgley:

What I learned from Dr. Nathan McCluskey is that he and Gina Colvin have read everything I have published about the Maori Latter-day Saints, and that they have radically different assessments of my essays. This is a point of contention between them. He agrees with me. And, the first thing he said to me is that "Gina hates you." And he explained why, even when I have praised something she had published.
The amount of disrespect he shows for Colvin by casually gossiping about her marriage and spreading his layers of lies is no surprise. Based on the way he posts, he really seems to have no respect for women as human beings. Although I am sure he would argue that he puts women “on a pedestal,” as though that indicates respect.
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:18 am
But it's quite obvious that Mr. Midgley has no intention on taking "no" for an answer, and will continue to needle Dr. Colvin by writing open notes on Sic et Non, and by continuing a correspondence with her husband.
Dr. Peterson has urged him several times to drop it. The Professor's perseveration on this matter is unfortunate. Repeatedly counting his downvotes and continually lashing out at others beyond his usual apologetics must be alarming for those who care about him. It's like they probably want to say "forget about those strawberries Captain Queeg", but are uncertain how to say it in the gentlest manner.

The pretense that the Professor was right in this entire matter has also allowed the situation to fester.
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Hi Moksha,

First off, let me tell you that I'm a big fan of your humor. Things get a little tense around here and elsewhere, and it's great to have someone keeping the mood light with witty comments! I was also impressed recently with your bridge-building efforts, namely, in bringing the material posted by Juliann at MDB to SeN for their consideration. I believe one of them referred to MDB, one of the most biased pro-Mormon boards on the Internet to "Shady Acres Lite" -- or something similar. Incredible!

Anyway, about your comment here, I do have to say that I disagree with the first part of what you wrote, but I totally agree with your last sentence.

Midgley has been urged to drop his responses to critics, but not necessarily to stop needling Dr. Colvin. They like it when he does that, because she's an intellectual who left the Church, which triggers their ire and she's specifically written against the Limited Geography Theory, their most sacred doctrine.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Louis Midgley wrote:And, the first thing he said to me is that "Gina hates you." And he explained why, even when I have praised something she had published.
LOL! What, he thinks he's Ivan Pavlov or something?
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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moksha wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:02 am
Gadianton wrote:
Sun Jun 14, 2020 12:18 am
But it's quite obvious that Mr. Midgley has no intention on taking "no" for an answer, and will continue to needle Dr. Colvin by writing open notes on Sic et Non, and by continuing a correspondence with her husband.
Dr. Peterson has urged him several times to drop it. The Professor's perseveration on this matter is unfortunate. Repeatedly counting his downvotes and continually lashing out at others beyond his usual apologetics must be alarming for those who care about him. It's like they probably want to say "forget about those strawberries Captain Queeg", but are uncertain how to say it in the gentlest manner.

The pretense that the Professor was right in this entire matter has also allowed the situation to fester.
Clearly Professor Peterson failed miserably on being Midgley's "designated driver."
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Peterson:

And I've met both the Area President and his son. (I even had dinner with the Area President and his famlly -- and the Midgleys -- at his home in New Zealand years before he became a General Authority.) I can vouch for Professor Midgley's close relationship with the Arderns.

http://disq.us/p/29x5p5e
That’s not quite the same as vouching for Midgley’s story that the area president violated Colvin’s and McCluskey’s privacy by directing his subordinate to give out confidential information, apparently not only about a member of their congregation, but also that member’s spouse, who is no longer a member of their congregation.

Midgley needs to drop this.
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Re: Louis Midgley Threatens to "Pay a Visit" to Gina Colvin

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Midgley the Stalker:

What you don't seem to understand is that Gina Colvin has ceased being a Latter-day Saint.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeters ... 4953416149
Ah. The ultimate justification, in louse’s mind, for stalking, disparaging, lying about, and all around behaving like an ass.

Add in that she is a woman, and Midgley’s rage is white-hot. How dare a member of the subordinate gender not only “go missing,” but then also think that she can act like a real human?
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Midge said he was wearing a name tag at the meeting. I wonder why? Perhaps the real scenario is that Midge found out through his N.Z. contacts where Dr. McCluskey went to church and arranged ahead of time to be at that ward so he could perhaps meet Dr. Colvin and Dr. McCluskey. The name tag was worn to perhaps facilitate the meeting? My guess is that if we ever were able to speak to the area president, SP and Bishop about this they would probably say that Midge initiated everything. As Lemmie points out above, Dr. McCluskey didn't know Midge from Adam when Midge introduced himself. So, Midge isn't being truthful about Dr. McCluskey wanting to meet.

So, what happens now? Is Midge going to try to break up the marriage because Dr. Colvin is no longer a latter-day saint? Midge mentions how Dr. McCluskey supposedly loves the Midge's essays and Dr. Colvin hates them. I'm sure he loves this point of contention between them.

It looks pretty creepy to me. Dr. McCluskey ought to keep his distance.
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Dr. Exiled wrote:So, what happens now? Is Midge going to try to break up the marriage because Dr. Colvin is no longer a latter-day saint? Midge mentions how Dr. McCluskey supposedly loves the Midge's essays and Dr. Colvin hates them. I'm sure he loves this point of contention between them.
I wouldn't take hubby at face value here. I'm assuming hubby is a solid, decent guy. He was put in a sorely uncomfortable position, where this weirdo with connections to folks in his own everyday world has put a mark on his wife. He had to deliver a stern message, that his wife really ain't interested. I honestly wouldn't even put money hubby's word's being "hate", although it's possible; but I suspect Midgley is exaggerating even that.

I certainly don't believe hubby said that he "loves" Midgley's essays. He may have said positive things about them, but mostly for the sake of being diplomatic. Honestly, the most unbelievable of the package of claims being made here, is that hubby was even familiar with Midgley's essays. He might have glanced through one or two at his wife's urging if he'd ever come up on conversation because of his criticisms of her work but I'm sorry, if there's more than about 8 people on this planet who are familiar enough with Midgley's Maori-related Mopologetics to have a strong opinion it would be a miracle.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.

LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
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