Three Powerful Books

[_Lemmie]

Truth is, however, and as I’ve learned with greater clarity on this thread, atheists are ruthless in pummeling believers and showing disdain

I’d call this ironic rather than truthful. In this thread you’ve called atheists (and everyone else non-LDS) biased while stating you are sure you are not, you’ve “stood by” your descriptions of people here as liars and purveyors of sin and other nasty name-calling, you’ve “forgotten” multiple times what you’ve said and gone on to state the exact opposite, all in support of your religious position. I reiterate my previous statement that you troll here to get your self-victimization kicks.

But, carry on. It’s fascinating to see your mindset. It reflects very badly on your religion, however.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Oh, has MG wrapped this up with the victimology 101 gambit? Usually it doesn’t happen until around page 50 of any given thread he destroys.

Poisoning the well - “I know there are those who are already pre-dispositioned towards ignoring many of the evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon...”

Snark - “Or did you simply read some of the commentary over Amazon?“

Faux humility and self-contradiction - “We all bring our biases to...” - “It’s the bias towards the non acceptance of a creator God that I am referring to.“

Distraction - “Fine tuning, at the very least, opens up the possibility of divine intelligence.”

Sarcasm - “Oh my gosh, I’m convinced. 1 minute and 30 seconds. Changed my whole paradigm of belief! Thanks honor. Forever indebted.“

That’s just in the first four pages where he’s testifying of the truthfulness of these “three powerful books”. On and on because he can’t actually stick to the goddamn topic. Terrible mopologist.

- Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

Truth is, however, and as I’ve learned with greater clarity on this thread, atheists are ruthless in pummeling believers and showing disdain

I’d call this ironic rather than truthful. In this thread you’ve called atheists (and everyone else non-LDS) biased while stating you are sure you are not...

For the record. I have biases.

...you’ve “stood by” your descriptions of people here as liars...

For the record. In a number of cases I do believe I have seen people lie and/or twist the truth. You being a/the primary culprit.

...and purveyors of sin...

For the record. There have been times when I have called out sin for what I believe it to be. Sin.

...and other nasty name-calling...

For the record. There have been times when I’ve called a spade a spade.

...you’ve “forgotten” multiple times what you’ve said and gone on to state the exact opposite, all in support of your religious position.

For the record. I make no claims to have a perfect memory. And yes, there may be times when I my contradict myself in the flow of the conversation. And that may happen while I’m supporting my religious position, yes. I’m human!

I reiterate my previous statement that you troll here to get your self-victimization kicks.

For the record. I have absolutely no idea what you’re referring to. And I am self-aware. Methinks you may want to take a look in the mirror.

But, carry on. It’s fascinating to see your mindset. It reflects very badly on your religion, however.

Again, I would recommend that you look in the mirror. I also find it fascinating to consider that you can do what you do and say what you say with a straight face and be able to sleep at night with any modicum of integrity. As I look around at the world and see some of the crazy things that people do and say, however, it doesn’t surprise me.

Regards,
MG

[Guest]

The lack of theists is not the problem, my friend. There are plenty of theists here.

Any idea how many of them participated in this thread?

Regards,
MG

participation from Huckelberry, a theist.
MG, I think that you should use some caution about thinking you have the best interpretation of the Spirit or that you have the correct ideas about it. I pray and I believe there are times that the Spirit of God has given me direction and help. I do not believe that my responses and understanding are free of error however. I am left with thought reason contemplation and action to help me clarify. I may use scripture and other sources of peoples past experience as well.

I believe that because God created the world that science and history which study that world are revelation from God as well. That revelation should be considered as well.

Back as an LDS believer I started having problems with whether the Book of Mormon was an actual historical record. I found myself disturbed by historical problems. I prayed about the book more than once. I remember best the time that prayer resulted in a descent into darkness and despair. I feared my sanity. I then decided that perhaps it would be better to stop trying to make it true.

Did I read the message from God correctly? You may think not. I think it is best to review the question in conjunction with historic evidence and broader life reflection.

[Guest]

Oh, has MG wrapped this up with the victimology 101 gambit? Usually it doesn’t happen until around page 50 of any given thread he destroys.

Coming back to add something substantial, huh? And you didn’t have a damn thing to say when I responded to your list of 12 issues. And here you are. Yay. I don’t know what in the world you’re referring to with this victimology gambit. I don’t at all see myself as a victim. I do see myself as someone who is standing up for what they believe is right and good.

If that bothers you, then suck it up buddy.

Poisoning the well - “I know there are those who are already pre-dispositioned towards ignoring many of the evidences that point to the authenticity of the Book of Mormon...”

For the record. I believe this to be true. I think that someone that already has a predisposition to a disbelief in God is going to have an implicit bias towards truth claims in regards to the Book of Mormon.

Snark - “Or did you simply read some of the commentary over Amazon?“

Not sure why this is bending you out of shape.

Faux humility and self-contradiction - “We all bring our biases to...” - “It’s the bias towards the non acceptance of a creator God that I am referring to.“

I think you were rather soft and a bit too sensitive if you can’t deal with this. Playing the victim, are we?

Distraction - “Fine tuning, at the very least, opens up the possibility of divine intelligence.”

Now you’re just blowing hot air. The statement is actually true. How is that a distraction? You are grasping at straws.

Sarcasm - “Oh my gosh, I’m convinced. 1 minute and 30 seconds. Changed my whole paradigm of belief! Thanks honor. Forever indebted.“

Within the context that I said this it made perfect sense. It was inserted as a statement which was meant to be humorous. For the humor impaired, however, it probably wouldn’t come across that way. You and Lemmie both fall into that camp. I told her to lighten up. I would recommend that you do the same.

That’s just in the first four pages where he’s testifying of the truthfulness of these “three powerful books”. On and on because he can’t actually stick to the goddamn topic. Terrible mopologist.

You can be counted on to come in and crap on everything after having bowed out during the thread and have nothing substantial to contribute to the overall flow of the conversation.

You’re a nut job. And a fake.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

MG, I think that you should use some caution about thinking you have the best interpretation of the Spirit or that you have the correct ideas about it. I pray and I believe there are times that the Spirit of God has given me direction and help. I do not believe that my responses and understanding are free of error however. I am left with thought reason contemplation and action to help me clarify. I may use scripture and other sources of peoples past experience as well.

huckleberry, I am under no illusion in thinking that I have a complete understanding of the Spirit. I fully recognize that you and anyone else seeking the Spirit of God will be gifted with inspiration and guidance to direct your life. I also readily admit that my responses to the Spirit are not free from error or bias in my own thinking. I think that’s where God gives us the freedom to choose and to be human.

I believe that because God created the world that science and history which study that world are revelation from God as well. That revelation should be considered as well.

I am in total agreement with you.

Back as an LDS believer I started having problems with whether the Book of Mormon was an actual historical record. I found myself disturbed by historical problems. I prayed about the book more than once. I remember best the time that prayer resulted in a descent into darkness and despair. I feared my sanity. I then decided that perhaps it would be better to stop trying to make it true.

Believe it or not, I think I can understand where you’re coming from. But the fact is, if the Bof Mormon is true, then it’s true whether we try and make it so or not. I am of the opinion that there’s a greater chance that the Book of Mormon is true than not. Even with the concerns and issues that come up along the way. It was a long and winding road to get to where I’m at now, but I’m comfortable in saying that I believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

Did I read the message from God correctly? You may think not. I think it is best to review the question in conjunction with historic evidence and broader life reflection.

huckleberry, as I have read your posts I have been able to discern that you are an honest person with a desire to seek truth. All I can do is wish you the best as you continue in your quest to understand and seek greater knowledge and light to help you in your life.

You seem to approach things with a sense of humility. I value that. I appreciate that.

And yes, it’s rather obvious that you are a theist. I can now say I know of at least one theist that participated on this thread.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

participation from Huckelberry, a theist.
MG, I think that you should use some caution about thinking you have the best interpretation of the Spirit or that you have the correct ideas about it. I pray and I believe there are times that the Spirit of God has given me direction and help. I do not believe that my responses and understanding are free of error however. I am left with thought reason contemplation and action to help me clarify. I may use scripture and other sources of peoples past experience as well.

I believe that because God created the world that science and history which study that world are revelation from God as well. That revelation should be considered as well.

Back as an LDS believer I started having problems with whether the Book of Mormon was an actual historical record. I found myself disturbed by historical problems. I prayed about the book more than once. I remember best the time that prayer resulted in a descent into darkness and despair. I feared my sanity. I then decided that perhaps it would be better to stop trying to make it true.

Did I read the message from God correctly? You may think not. I think it is best to review the question in conjunction with historic evidence and broader life reflection.

Thank you for your story, huckelberry, the middle is heart-breaking. Many here can certainly relate. your decision to consider a different answer than what the LDS church requires takes a lot of guts. A Sunstone podcast came up in a recent thread that seems apropos:

“WHO GETS TO SAY WHAT FORMER Mormons ARE LIKE?”

https://www.sunstonemagazine.com/who-ge ... -are-like/

[_Lemmie]

You're always welcome to come to the table with evidence to share.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

fEeLiNgS iS eViDeNcE! mY FeElInGs aRe rEaL! I hAvE sPeCiaL kNowLedGe!

- Doc

[_Gadianton]

You’re a nut job. And a fake.

Why MG, how dare you speak to your brother from the pre-existence this way! The two of you stood together to push out Lucifer and his minions in that great battle, did you not?

Remember how we discussed that the Mormon "big answers" are really pretty ordinary? I offered the example of finding oneself wandering Walmart with temporary amnesia. If my brother here on earth were to end up in Walmart in such a state, and refused to believe that he had a family waiting for him to come back who lived three miles away, I wouldn't call him a "nut job and a fake", I'd be very concerned about him. It wouldn't really matter what choice of words he had for me. My patience would be bolstered by my firm belief that he really did have a family and that Walmart wasn't all there is.

Now, should I have doubts about my beliefs, should I think that he might really be right and that Walmart was all there is, and that his family was wishful thinking on my part, and if he and others were to offer compelling arguments that I couldn't deal with that such was the case, then I might start to lose it, and lash out like you did here.

It makes me wonder, how much do you really believe in this line about the pre-existence?