Three Powerful Books

[_mentalgymnast]

Someone like mEnTaL GyMnAsT will claim they studied this or that to x-y-z degree but it's ____.

True

Although there is always more to learn.

That was easy! A lot less time to answer than the list of 12 questions upthread that you posted for me to answer. And then you disappeared...

Be that as it may, thanks for keeping it short this time around doCToR cAmnC4mE.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

I think I’ve made it rather clear that we need to be really careful about basing our beliefs wholly on spiritual experiences for reasons I’ve already expressed. I think we are in agreement on that count.

Yet while admitting to huckelberry that interpretations of spiritual experiences are flawed since so many get different ideas from them, you have based your beliefs solely on what the church teaches and your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience.

Exactly.

[_mentalgymnast]

Yet while admitting to huckelberry that interpretations of spiritual experiences are flawed since so many get different ideas from them, you have based your beliefs solely on what the church teaches and your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience.

Exactly.

Or not.

Regards,
MG

[_Themis]

Or not.

Regards,
MG

You admitted your interactions with the spiritual is flawed. You don't have any physical evidence to back up what you believe. That leaves just your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience. It doesn't mean you are wrong, but it does mean you don't know you are right. That means some of the probabilities you assigned to Honor's questions were unreasonably high, but then it was based on a feeling of certainly. I have seen so many arguing about mundane things both feeling 100% certain they are right.

[_mentalgymnast]

Or not.

Regards,
MG

You admitted your interactions with the spiritual is flawed. You don't have any physical evidence to back up what you believe. That leaves just your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience. It doesn't mean you are wrong, but it does mean you don't know you are right. That means some of the probabilities you assigned to Honor's questions were unreasonably high, but then it was based on a feeling of certainly. I have seen so many arguing about mundane things both feeling 100% certain they are right.

Here’s what I actually said to huckleberry:

I am under no illusion in thinking that I have a complete understanding of the Spirit. I fully recognize that you and anyone else seeking the Spirit of God will be gifted with inspiration and guidance to direct your life. I also readily admit that my responses to the Spirit are not free from error or bias in my own thinking. I think that’s where God gives us the freedom to choose and to be human.

And:

But the fact is, if the Bof Mormon is true, then it’s true whether we try and make it so or not. I am of the opinion that there’s a greater chance that the Book of Mormon is true than not. Even with the concerns and issues that come up along the way. It was a long and winding road to get to where I’m at now, but I’m comfortable in saying that I believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.

Here is what you originally said:

Yet while admitting to huckelberry that interpretations of spiritual experiences are flawed since so many get different ideas from them, you have based your beliefs solely on what the church teaches and your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience.

And that isn’t strictly true. I have based my beliefs on learning from MANY different sources. I have based my beliefs on my own lived experience. I have based my beliefs on a certain level of confidence that I have in the scriptures, including the Book of Mormon. It is anchor and keystone of belief. I have based my beliefs on looking at the world as it is and concluding that there is purpose and design in the framework of existence.

Admittedly some of the most powerful elevation experiences I’ve had have been within the context of responsibilities and experiences within the church/priesthood/family context. The experiences themselves are not ‘flawed’ in the sense that I know that something beyond the norm was experienced. There was Spirit. But I don’t base my belief on Spirit (in regards to church truth claims) exclusively because I know that I can’t be 100% sure that these experiences are unique to the fact I am LDS.

Themis, you often try and make things conform to your own life experiences and limited views of reality. You then overlay that on others. That results in partial truth telling. Your view is distorted.

There’s always more to the story. Lemmie was just looking for a quick ‘high five’. She often doesn’t think things through.

Regards,
MG

[_Philo Sofee]

MG
Themis, you I often try and make things conform to your my own life experiences and limited views of reality. You I then overlay that on others. That results in partial truth telling. Your my view is distorted.

There’s always more to the story. Lemmie I was just looking for a quick ‘high five’ gold star on my forehead from Heavenly Father. She I often doesn’t think things through.

Fixed it for you because in all abject seriousness, it fits, and your lack of awareness of it is staggering

[_mentalgymnast]

MG
Themis, you I often try and make things conform to your my own life experiences and limited views of reality. You I then overlay that on others. That results in partial truth telling. Your my view is distorted.

There’s always more to the story. Lemmie I was just looking for a quick ‘high five’ gold star on my forehead from Heavenly Father. She I often doesn’t think things through.

Fixed it for you because in all abject seriousness, it fits, and your lack of awareness of it is staggering

Strike two on getting it right. You got it wrong on the Toole Temple thread too.

You’re full of crap when you make it to strike two within such a short time of one another. How can your judgement be trusted at all?

What I said is what I said. You can’t just go through and start crossing out words willy-nilly.

Silly boy.

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

Or not.

Regards,
MG

You admitted your interactions with the spiritual is flawed. You don't have any physical evidence to back up what you believe. That leaves just your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience. It doesn't mean you are wrong, but it does mean you don't know you are right. That means some of the probabilities you assigned to Honor's questions were unreasonably high, but then it was based on a feeling of certainly. I have seen so many arguing about mundane things both feeling 100% certain they are right.

I see mental is trying to rehabilitate his reputation, yet again. No matter, your arguments are on point.
Its obvious his feelings of certainty are driven entirely by his Mormon upbringing, and he is incapable of thinking past that.

[_Themis]

The experiences themselves are not ‘flawed’ in the sense that I know that something beyond the norm was experienced. There was Spirit. But I don’t base my belief on Spirit (in regards to church truth claims) exclusively because I know that I can’t be 100% sure that these experiences are unique to the fact I am LDS.

Ok so we can say you based your beliefs on just the spiritual and other very subjective experiences. No different then the FLDS, JW's, Muslims, Wicans, Buddist's, etc. Not really good enough to put such high probability as being true.

Themis, you often try and make things conform to your own life experiences and limited views of reality. You then overlay that on others. That results in partial truth telling. Your view is distorted.

I asked you many times to articulate things, but you consistently fail to do so. I also don't throw out out the physical just because I don't like what it tells us. My views of reality are certainly limited, but I don't ignore the ones I don't like.

There’s always more to the story. Lemmie was just looking for a quick ‘high five’. She often doesn’t think things through.

She comes across to me as someone who is thoughtful and logical, but doesn't like BS and playing games.

[_mentalgymnast]

You admitted your interactions with the spiritual is flawed. You don't have any physical evidence to back up what you believe. That leaves just your flawed understanding of the spiritual experience. It doesn't mean you are wrong, but it does mean you don't know you are right. That means some of the probabilities you assigned to Honor's questions were unreasonably high, but then it was based on a feeling of certainly. I have seen so many arguing about mundane things both feeling 100% certain they are right.

I see mental is trying to rehabilitate his reputation, yet again. No matter, your arguments are on point.
Its obvious his feelings of certainty are driven entirely by his Mormon upbringing, and he is incapable of thinking past that.

I hope in real life you are not an analyst of some type. Especially for the US government in a position of importance. If you are, we’re in a world of hurt in the good ol’ USA. Especially if there are more like you. :rolleyes:

My guess is that you’re not. I hope I’m right. Scary thought though.

Truthfully? I would guess that you’re not in a responsible position where your sage advice/judgement is relied on. If so, then what the heck is going on here?

I sure as heck hope you’re not a psychoanalyst. That’s a really scary thought.

Regards,
MG