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[honorentheos]

And here's where the trap of populism lies. Lacking inherent values, focusing on opposition, it can only destroy. It lacks the tools and substance to build or even repair.

Or the exact opposite is true.

Try listening to Charlemagne and Candace, not just one and not just the other. And you should listen to what they have in common, not just where they disagree. Try listening to Tulsi and Bernie, not just for differences, but also for what they have in common.

What values do they espouse? What are they FOR that I should be listening to them?

[Marcus]

I did not blame anyone for anything.

You have got to be kidding. That is literally exactly what you do!!!!!!

Except while you blame everyone else for what they do, you do not blame yourself. because you are a victim of sexual abuse.

[Cultellus]

Or the exact opposite is true.

Try listening to Charlemagne and Candace, not just one and not just the other. And you should listen to what they have in common, not just where they disagree. Try listening to Tulsi and Bernie, not just for differences, but also for what they have in common.

What values do they espouse? What are they FOR that I should be listening to them?

Nope. BS. We have already gone in this circle.

[honorentheos]

What values do they espouse? What are they FOR that I should be listening to them?

Nope. BS. We have already gone in this circle.

Because you can't answer it as the answer isn't found in populism.

That's the point, cultellus. It's an extreme political identity that one takes on only in opposition. If you identify as a populist you have been radicalized.

If I asked you to give example of what populists are against you'd be the Energizer Bunny typing them all up.

[K Graham]

Democrats who didn't support the bill:

Rep. Jamaal Bowman of New York
Rep. Cori Bush of Missouri
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York
Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota
Rep. Ayanna Pressley of Massachusetts
Rep. Rashida Tlaib of Michigan

Did they place politics over America? That seems so Republican. This infrastructure repair is badly needed.

They voted no because it wasn't progressive enough. But they wouldn't have voted no if it would've made a difference.

[Cultellus]

Nope. BS. We have already gone in this circle.

Because you can't answer it as the answer isn't found in populism.

That's the point, cultellus. It's an extreme political identity that one takes on only in opposition. If you identify as a populist you have been radicalized.

If I asked you to give example of what populists are against you'd be the Energizer Bunny typing them all up.

That is not the point, honor. Actually, I would not be listing anything for you for that question either. Because, you are not looking for an answer, you are playing games.

Hey man. Just go on hating populism. Learn nothing, know everything, hate everyone, and have a testimony of your one true ideology. That is the most important thing for you so stay true. I do not want to dissuade you from believing that you have it all right and that I have it all wrong. I do not want you to ever think that people who are not aligned with the elite are anything but would-be rioters. I want you to continue to be as rabid about this as you are in this thread - because I think THAT is the most important part of this conversation.

If people can see just what that sort of rabid blind ideology can get us - a choice between Hillary and Trump, for example - perhaps we will make better choices and have better outcomes going forward. If you think that telling people who dislike the system, or who want to fight for the majority and for equal pay for equal work, that they are would-be rioters and socialists, I want you to do that as absolutely loudly as you can.

The 2016 President choice was a travesty. The 2020 choice was another travesty. But go on, tell us how not being part of one of those ideological parties is extreme. Go on. We are listening. Laughing too, but also listening.

[Cultellus]

Did they place politics over America? That seems so Republican. This infrastructure repair is badly needed.

They voted no because it wasn't progressive enough. But they wouldn't have voted no if it would've made a difference.

Principled!

[canpakes]

And here's where the trap of populism lies. Lacking inherent values, focusing on opposition, it can only destroy. It lacks the tools and substance to build or even repair.

This is a practical analysis. It’s like the example of a claimed populist aim given upstream of ‘wage and wealth parity’. Yet, the lack of doing the hard work to define how to achieve the desired parity (or even defining what that means) reveals that this populist aim is just a masking of anger against what the populist perceives others have, and/or how s/he is disadvantaged.

Past the rage and grievance, then what?

[Cultellus]

And here's where the trap of populism lies. Lacking inherent values, focusing on opposition, it can only destroy. It lacks the tools and substance to build or even repair.

This is a practical analysis. It’s like the example of a claimed populist aim given upstream of ‘wage and wealth parity’. Yet, the lack of doing the hard work to define how to achieve the desired parity (or even defining what that means) reveals that this populist aim is just a masking of anger against what the populist perceives others have, and/or how s/he is disadvantaged.

Past the rage and grievance, then what?

So, if people work toward parity, if they work for application of fair wages, if they sacrifice time and money to work toward equality for themselves and their co-workers or employees - and do not succeed - are they terrorists and anti-establishment rioters?

Nobody owes you the hard work to define something, you lazy POS. Your petulant "reveal" here is about you, not anybody else.

Arguments like yours are important too, panny. People need to know that you have given up hope for people that do not align with the elitists. You think that if they can be smashed now, they could and should be smashed forever. I hope you tell everyone you think that. I disagree. I will be back on the picket lines if I am asked, and I will advocate for fair wages and benefits.

[honorentheos]

I do not want you to ever think that people who are not aligned with the elite are anything but would-be rioters.

Not aligning with elites isn't synonymous with populism as has been pointed out multiple times and is textbook recognition of the problem posed by populism. Be for something, cultellus.

If you think that telling people who dislike the system, or who want to fight for the majority and for equal pay for equal work, that they are would-be rioters and socialists, I want you to do that as absolutely loudly as you can.

None of the above are by definition populism. The veiled threat of violence as the populist is pushed is, yet again, noted.

Your inability to argue for it without descent into visions of uprisings and bloodshed is a feature of the "thin ideology" to which you have aligned. You could, of courses, choose instead to be for something. But apparently you have self-loathing issues or something if you find being aligned with socialists to be distasteful while identifying a key aspect of socialist ideology as your primary motive for identifying as a populist.