Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

[Some Schmo]

That a thread like this even has the oxygen to survive is an indication the US is screwed up beyond all recognition. There will be a civil war if we don't let the gun nuts lube up their rifles and use them to “F” themselves in the ass.

Yes, Chap, when it comes to guns, Americans are crazy crazy.

The little idiot should be in jail. I won't be surprised if he's acquitted and we get another Rodney King-like riot.

[Some Schmo]

Because in Wisconsin it's illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a handgun, but it's not illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a rifle.

Like I said... crazy crazy.

[ajax18]

It's legal to intend to use deadly force in self-defense if it becomes absolutely necessary. I'm sure most human beings would agree.

Not just western culture but every nonwestern culture as well.

[ajax18]

Yes indeed. And of course because someone who attacks you in the street may well be doing so with the loaded gun that they have the right to carry around with them, you definitely need to have a loaded gun yourself to defend yourself.

Yes look how well gun control laws have kept the guns out of the hands of Chicago gang bangers. Look how well strict gun control in Mexico has disarmed their narcotrafficking cartels.

[Jersey Girl]

Because in Wisconsin it's illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a handgun, but it's not illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a rifle.

Like I said... crazy crazy.

But it's not true. Shades didn't look at the law OR the charges in this case.

948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
(1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon" means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
(2) 
(a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
(b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
(d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
(3) 
(a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult's supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult's supervision.
(b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
948.60(3)(c)(c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.
History: 1987 a. 332; 1991 a. 18, 139; 1993 a. 98; 1995 a. 27, 77; 1997 a. 248; 2001 a. 109; 2005 a. 163; 2011 a. 35.
Sub. (2) (b) does not set a standard for civil liability, and a violation of sub. (2) (b) does not constitute negligence per se. Logarto v. Gustafson, 998 F. Supp. 998 (1998).

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statut ... tes/948/55

[Some Schmo]

(c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.

Is he being charged with a Class H felony? Seems pretty open and shut.

[K Graham]

Our resident nazi believes in systemic reverse racism but not in systemic racism. That's par.

[canpakes]

Why isn’t it seen as more problematic that Rittenhouse chose to bring a rifle as opposed to a handgun, for ‘defensive’ purposes?

Because in Wisconsin it's illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a handgun, but it's not illegal for a 16-17 year old to open carry a rifle.

That answers part of the question (although K Graham’s post also suggests otherwise), but leaves the same thought behind. A similar reading of the law could suggest that Rittenhouse could have been carrying a Title II firearm, but anything from that category would seem similarly inappropriate.


Maybe Rittenhouse should have brought a pitchfork. That would look scary enough and likely would have kept him out of trouble.
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They don’t guarantee your safety through distance as a long gun would, but one would be able to better size up the immediate threat to determine if firing would be required, while not being forced to essentially carry a long gun as a defensive EDC.

"EDC" = ?

Jersey Girl has it right - everyday carry.

[Father Francis]

Yes indeed. And of course because someone who attacks you in the street may well be doing so with the loaded gun that they have the right to carry around with them, you definitely need to have a loaded gun yourself to defend yourself.

Yes look how well gun control laws have kept the guns out of the hands of Chicago gang bangers. Look how well strict gun control in Mexico has disarmed their narcotrafficking cartels.

Who do you think sells the weapons to the cartels, and who do you think buys their drugs?

[ajax18]

Maybe Rittenhouse should have brought a pitchfork. That would look scary enough and likely would have kept him out of trouble.

This prosecutor would just say that Rittenhouse was guilty of provoking the rioters to chase him and caused them to impale themselves upon the pitchfork when he fell and could no longer run away.

The mainstream media is ultimately guilty of provoking this entire situation. Jacob Blake was a career criminal who broke a restraining order for digitally raping a woman then refused to drop the knife when confronted by police. This was later proven on video and the officer was entirely cleared. But at the time, the media was in the business of stoking racial tensions for political gain. Now that the media is invested in this false narrative about Rittenhouse, they can't back out of it. They have to come up with crazy theories like K Graham saying that Rosenbaum was trying to disarm Rittenhouse by chasing him into a fall and cracking a skateboard over top his head twice.