Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:50 pm
That’s regarding the person who provides the firearm if I’m reading it correctly.

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You may be right. I wonder if any effort has gone toward finding the person who sold/gave/lent him the gun.

Christ, I'd never be a lawyer. Laws are written in the most cryptic way possible (I'm guessing to give lawyers something to argue about). Insert paragraph A in subsection B.

At the very least, he's guilty of a misdemeanor.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm

I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.
Good question. Maybe people think it speaks to whether he truly believed he was about to die or whatever. I have more experience with PTSD than I'd like. My Dad came back from Vietnam with PTSD. I know a lot of his buddies who were also diagnosed with PTSD over the years. Kyle Rittenhouse's post arrest reactions don't strike me as someone who is genuinely suffering from PTSD. Unlike Kyle, none of the PTSD veterans I know would go to bars to brag about what they did in Vietnam.

Kyle was in a volatile situation but it is one he created for himself. He didn't need to be there. The only other person who was armed didn't even fire at him, and he admitted that he knew the person he killed was unarmed. At worst, he was looking at an ass beating. But if he really thought being in the middle of a chaotic riot like this was going to likely end his life, then why in the bejeezus did he put himself center stage during the event? He was quite literally calling attention to himself and attention is what he got. It just doesn't add up for me as PTSD just because he put on a water works show for the cameras more than a year later. In the interrogation session he and his Mom were more worried about social media posts. He never once showed remorse, and he never once even asked if the people he shot were still alive. That isn't something kids with "undeveloped" brains do. Most human beings with a conscience would feel at least some guilt in this situation. He has to know as well as everyone else that he created that situation and it left two people dead. I hope that haunts him forever, but I doubt it will because I think he's a sociopath and has no remorse or empathy for anyone. Two people would be alive today had he not showed up pretending to be a badass, which he is not. I've known dozens of people, literally, who have faced a physical ass whooping at some point in their lives. I cannot imagine any of them picking up a gun to kill the person just because they're losing the fight. Kyle went there to find trouble and he found it. That just takes a special kind of coward, if not a straight up murderer.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:20 pm
I strongly disagree with you. He was 17 when the violent event happened.
Life and death situations were common in our evolutionary history. PTSD doesn't make evolutionary sense and it shouldn't be common. Before the 20th century almost everyone was involved in a life or death situation. I believe in human evolution and evolutionary psychology.

The brain on average fully develops around age 25, and in many cases it fully develops around age 30. The majority of combat veterans (under 30 at the time of service) do not have PTSD. The majority of WW1 and WW2 soldiers (many 17 years at the time) were never diagnosed with PTSD. "Some senior military officials have raised concerns that PTSD is overdiagnosed." https://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/25/us/a ... enged.html
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He was never treated for trauma following, I guarantee you that he wasn't. And yes, there is treatment that can help tamp down the trauma response---not always successfully---to prevent it from developing a full blown disorder.
Treatments for false positives are very common.
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Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:20 pm
If you happen to think that his post event behavior showed no indication of trauma, as KG has stated himself, you guys clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Not me, it is the experts questioning the trauma industry.

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K Graham wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:07 pm
Maybe people think it speaks to whether he truly believed he was about to die or whatever.
It shouldn't matter. Mammals evolved to deal with life or death situations.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:31 pm
Have you watched the trial?
Nope. I don't care enough to watch it. Based on what I've heard about the judge, I have my doubts about it being a fair trial anyway.

I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.
Woops, an additional question. What felony did he commit?
He was a minor carrying a firearm that he discharged killing people. Earlier in the thread, I quoted the Wisconsin law he broke from your post.
The judge is a racist because he said "Asian food " And possibly a Republican since he made a joke about the Long Beach supply chain crisis.

What's funny is that liberals usually favor judges inclined see for the defense. But not in this case.. i wonder why
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:27 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm

Nope. I don't care enough to watch it. Based on what I've heard about the judge, I have my doubts about it being a fair trial anyway.

I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.


He was a minor carrying a firearm that he discharged killing people. Earlier in the thread, I quoted the Wisconsin law he broke from your post.
The judge is a racist because he said "Asian food " And possibly a Republican since he made a joke about the Long Beach supply chain crisis.

What's funny is that liberals usually favor judges inclined see for the defense. But not in this case.. i wonder why
Liberals favor judges who aren't putting on a show for the cameras. Liberals don't favor judges who aren't in any sense trying to be objective. No one believes this kid is going to jail no matter who the judge is. But it would be nice to at least see a real trial with a competent prosecutor willing to flesh out all the evidence, instead of this circus that could instantly be called a mistrial.
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Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:31 pm
Have you watched the trial?
Nope. I don't care enough to watch it. Based on what I've heard about the judge, I have my doubts about it being a fair trial anyway.

I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.

It isn't relevant to the outcome of the trial and no one has claimed that.
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K Graham wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:07 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm
I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.
Good question. Maybe people think it speaks to whether he truly believed he was about to die or whatever.
If that's people's reasoning, that's insane. For one thing, the 'P' in PTSD stands for "post" meaning it's after the fact. He suffered significant, lasting trauma in the moment before he shot people?

And if he's that much of a snowflake, he certainly has no business carrying a loaded rifle.
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K Graham wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:07 pm
Some Schmo wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 9:43 pm
I still want to know why his alleged PTSD is relevant to the outcome of the trial.
Good question. Maybe people think it speaks to whether he truly believed he was about to die or whatever.

Unless the ‘P’ in PTSD stands for ‘pre’, then any PTSD suffered by Rittenhouse is not relevant to his state of mind at the point that he pulled the trigger.

ETA: Looks like Schmo and I were posting the same thought at the same time …
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:35 pm
It isn't relevant to the outcome of the trial and no one has claimed that.
If it's irrelevant, why are you arguing he has it?
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