Rittenhouse Trial: Calling Res Ipsa

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:27 pm
Um...from what I have read, Rosenbaum had been discharged from a hospital in Milwaulkee that day following a suicide attempt.
Holy crap, I wonder if that's true. It would certainly explain Rosenbaum rushing someone armed.

You got a reference/link for that, Jersey Girl?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
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Um...from what I have read, Rosenbaum had been discharged from a hospital in Milwaulkee that day following a suicide attempt.
Holy crap, I wonder if that's true. It would certainly explain Rosenbaum rushing someone armed.

You got a reference/link for that, Jersey Girl?
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A coupla excerpts...this one is from the AP. I've seen it in other locations as well. All dtd 5 Nov 21.
Jason Lackowski, a former Marine who said he took an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to Kenosha last year to help protect property during violent protests against racial injustice, said that Joseph Rosenbaum “asked very bluntly to shoot him” and took a few “false steppings ... to entice someone to do something.”
On the day he was killed, Rosenbaum had been released from a Milwaukee hospital. The jury was told that much, but not why he had been admitted — after a suicide attempt.
https://apnews.com/article/kyle-rittenh ... 9f779b0057
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ETA: with regard to Rosenbaum rushing someone who was armed. Watch the video where KR puts out the dumpster fire and Rosenbaum goes ballistic. That event is what preceded the shooting of Rosenbaum. That's what started the sequence of interaction re: KR and Rosenbaum.
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ETA: with regard to Rosenbaum rushing someone who was armed. Watch the video where KR puts out the dumpster fire and Rosenbaum goes ballistic. That event is what preceded the shooting of Rosenbaum. That's what started the sequence of interaction re: KR and Rosenbaum.
Jesus. Suicide by Trumper. :shock:

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Thanks for the link, Jersey Girl.

Wow. So it would seem he was suicidal.

And he just happened to run into the guy who would oblige him. damned tragic. He was engaged, too.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:47 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Nov 17, 2021 10:37 pm
ETA: with regard to Rosenbaum rushing someone who was armed. Watch the video where KR puts out the dumpster fire and Rosenbaum goes ballistic. That event is what preceded the shooting of Rosenbaum. That's what started the sequence of interaction re: KR and Rosenbaum.
Jesus. Suicide by Trumper. :shock:

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Thanks for the link, Jersey Girl.

Wow. So it would seem he was suicidal.

And he just happened to run into the guy that would oblige him. damned tragic. He was engaged, too.

I think the clinical term for what Rosenbaum was is called: totally screwed in the head.

As for tragic because he was engaged or whatever, you do realize he did prison time for (I'm not going to mince words here) damned and otherwise sexually abusing multiple minor boys, right?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
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ETA: with regard to Rosenbaum rushing someone who was armed. Watch the video where Kyle Rittenhouse puts out the dumpster fire and Rosenbaum goes ballistic. That event is what preceded the shooting of Rosenbaum. That's what started the sequence of interaction re: Kyle Rittenhouse and Rosenbaum.
There's video of him putting out a dumpster fire and it includes Rosenbaum's reaction?

Here's a transcript of Rittenhouse's testimony. I couldn't find where he talked about putting out a fire which caused Rosenbaum to be angered with him.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
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Well, that’s the whole problem, right? As soon as Rittenhouse aims the gun at someone, given the widespread notion of don’t aim at anything unless you intend to kill it, everyone around him likely has the legal ability to use force, including deadly force against him. If an unarmed guy chasing someone justifies use of deadly force, then it shouldn’t take much to justify use of deadly force against someone armed with a weapon designed to kill quickly and efficiently.
Flagging someone isn’t deadly force. And if you’re threatening someone and chasing someone that is armed, I don’t think being flagged, especially since Kyle Rittenhouse flagged Rosenbaum before without firing on him, can justify use of force. Rosenbaum, if he felt threatened had a duty to retreat. In other words, Kyle Rittenhouse wasn’t an active shooter. In fact, the only “active shooter” prior to Kyle Rittenhouse firing on Rosenbaum was Ziminski.

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